Doctor as a patient

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Both my patient's last week were both doctor's. One was a retired family practice doctor and the other was a nephrologist. Now, this is not my first time having taken care of patients who work in the health field, but it was the first time they got preferrential treatment from the staff (including MD's) for their profession.

I addressed both patients as Mr A and Mr B, while everyone else called them doctor. Now, that created some confusion for me because here I have people calling me to ask how Dr. so and so is doing or if Dr so and so has been extubated...Uh okay. Some of the nurses would go into their rooms and start by saying Mr and then catch themselves mid sentence and say " Oh I'm sorry Doctor." Anyway, at the end of the day if they felt the need to call them doctor that's their choice.

What really got on my nerve though was the fact that Mr/Dr A was basically writing his own orders. He demanded to be extubated, and even though he failed weaning he got extubated. During weaning one of the doctors told me to stand by him because he was going apneic for more than 30 seconds. So I told him to put him back on a rate until the sedation I had just turned off an hr ago wore off and the patient was more alert. So what does doctor do, he sits there watching. Mind you this is a busy place and the reason I could not do it was because I had to take Mr/Dr B to CT. So Dr. A gets extubated and then demands to have his NGT taken out (this is 1st day post op abd surgery), when they tell me not to he takes it out himself. Still lethargic he demands a PCA even though he spends most of the day sleeping, so of course he gets an order for 0.9 MS q10mins (they started at 0.5mg but increased everytime he asked them to). Two days later he is advanced to clears, but my doctor patient says "no, put me back as NPO I'm scared I'm going to vomit if I drink." That same daythey tell him he is getting transferred to the floor, and he refuses. He speaks to the atteding and tells him he feels he is not ready to leave the ICU (mind you this guy is stable from an ICU standpoint), so he now has orders to stay for another two days.

So to cut it all short, how do you guys feel about having doctor/patients. What is your experience? I'm all for having patients having an input on their care but I have to say I had a pretty heavy day with these two (I did not want to go into Mr B, but his wife (pharmacist) and daughters (MD) also made me feel like a glorified maid)

Interesting thread. I agree about the family of a doc being often at issue. Mom of a Doc, was in a room with my mom post op. What a huge PITA, but, you could tell her son and DIL (both docs) were about at wits end about her behavior, apologizing to all about it.

Had several docs in private practice. Boy talkin about squirmy... very anxious. I think it's tough to be on the other side. I know, I'm a little more squirmy now as a nurse. Just this tho, I do know (have recorded data on it, LOL) that psych docs are a demographic that can be consistently very peculiar, often having obsessive behaviors as well as wanting to be called Doctor, etc. I do not call my patients by "doctor" when they are with me they are Joe Public. I found that often it's a "psych out" issue, of course of intimidation with these guys as a reaction to being fearful of loss of control. You just look them in the eye like you are the one in control, and guess what, they see Alpha, and all the bluster ends -- just like a puppy.

Specializes in Peds and PICU.

One benefit to working with kids is my patients are never docs! In my experience, I have had a few parents or family members who were docs or nurses or CNAs and, for the most part, I have had fabulous experiences.

One kid came in relatively frequently for a chronic illness. Her dad is a family medicine attending in the hospital and mom is a cardiac RN but they made sure that we all knew that while they were on the peds floor or the PICU, they were mom and dad, not doctor and nurse. They never stepped on anyone's toes or demanded special treatment from anyone. It worked very, very well for all of us!

I have also had a few patient's that had CNAs for family members and THAT can be a lifesaver! I've offered baths and linen changes and a lot of times, the family member has either already done it or says that they would prefer to do it. I had one tell me that she knew I had more important things to do and, since this is what she does at work, she'll just go ahead and do it now. More power to you, dear!

At the risk of sounding offensive, I have had more problems with patients who have nurses as family members, especially when it is an aunt or some other non-immediate family member. I have had many question my decisions, critique the way things are done, question dosages to meds, etc. Later, it is usually discovered that they work in adult departments and don't understand the difference between adult and pediatric meds, doses, presentations, etc. I like to use it as an opportunity for education but, regardless of intent, it is pretty insulting when a family member calls you out unnecessarily in front of the patient and the parents!

Specializes in CVICU, Obs/Gyn, Derm, NICU.

I only had one that was a bit of hyper PITA, and later discovered he was a chiropractor...but that is a whole other can of proverbial worms.

Tait

Oh yeah ... the Chiropractor 'doctor' hyper PITA :lol2:

Don't see any big deal here- do what the guy says. Verify with your doctor. The attending stuck up for him, so let it be.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.

I have physicians as patients on a pretty regular basis. They don't get any special consideration at my hospital except when having things explained to them we use the big words.

I am the nurse and they are the patient regardless of their occupation. I have a standard ice braking joke.

"Hello my Name is PMFB and I will be your nurse tonight. I understand you are a physician is that right"

"yes"

"Well don't worry I am going to take good care of you anyway"

Specializes in Trauma Surgery, Nursing Management.

Please forgive me, as I have not read through all of the posts and I will more than likely be repeating the sentiments of other members.

I took care of a former physician-a renegade in his field, who steamrolled through red tape in order to provide care for his patients that he strongly believed were "falling by the wayside" in light of the ridiculous demands of insurance companies. This man was a fighter, and was a sight to behold in his rumpled scrubs, unkempt hair and his 5 o'clock shadow. He was relentless in regards to patient advocacy. Sadly, he was dx with Alzheimers and deteriorated quickly. He was placed in a nursing home and his rate of degeneration was alarming. While he was being turned to enable the nurses to change his bed, his hip broke right in the nurse's hands. Pathologic fx...he had metastatic cancer that was undiagnosed. He came into my OR one day for an ORIF of an intertrochanteric fx. His daughter was a nurse and explained to me that he was not lucid, did not react to anything but pain, and sadly relegated herself to saying goodbye to her Dad as I took him to surgery. Right before we were inducing, I took his hand, and whispered into his ear that I would take care of him. This little old man, an icon in his field, looked me right in the eye, held my gaze with unquestionable purpose and SMILED.

I know that I am hijacking this thread to a degree, but I can't express to you all how much these few seconds meant to me. This former surgeon absolutely knew what was going on, despite the reports I received. I felt honored to care for him, and to know that I was able to comfort him to some small degree.

I also took care of a surgeon who came into the OR as a trauma pt. He was extremely grateful that he had a team that he knew and trusted care for him during this crisis in his life.

In short, I have yet to care for a doctor who "pulled rank" while being a pt. I know that it happens, and I know that the general consensus is that doctors and nurses make the worst patients, but thankfully I have not dealt with this scenario.

Kudos to our members that have had to deal with difficult patients, no matter their title!

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

I have taken care of several physicians. None of them have been a problem. However, in my experience, the wives of physicians ... well, that's a different thread.

Specializes in Cardiac.
Right before we were inducing, I took his hand, and whispered into his ear that I would take care of him. This little old man, an icon in his field, looked me right in the eye, held my gaze with unquestionable purpose and SMILED.

That's such an awesome memory, Cane! I have taken care of some lovely alz pts who I really connected with in similar ways. It's such a blessing. ;):up:

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