Deer in the headlights pain assessments

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Getting a patient to use the numerical pain scale should be easy, right? Pick a number from one to ten with one being just a little bothersome and ten being the worst pain you have ever felt or imagined. Seems pretty straighforward to me.

But my patients sometimes look at me as if I've asked them to add the square roots of their children's birth dates and round to the nearest hundredth.

They stare at me and scrunch up their faces as if this is a scary pop quiz and they don't want to get it wrong. After a ten or fifteen seconds of agonizing, I get answers like, "Not quite a four and a half," or, "sort of a six," or, "somewhere between a two and a seven."

We all know about the 10/10 folks who want every prn measure available the second they can have it. But this other group seems really cowed by the complexity of the question. I've seen the same expression on people who have just been told they have to do a dozen algebra story problems. I feel for them. I really do. Sometimes I have even said, "Don't put yourself into a tizzy over this," and reassured them that they aren't being graded. Not even on a curve.

When I offer the pain faces as an alternative, I'm not sure if the face they pick matches their actual medical discomfort or if they are expressing the psychological intimidation they feel about having to choose the exactly appropriate not-so-smiley face.

It's not a big deal. We work it out and they get the meds they need. I'm just periodically amazed/amused at the overwhelming burden picking a pain face or number seems to put on some patients. Makes me wish I could offer them some light sedation before putting them through the ordeal. :D

Specializes in Trauma, Teaching.

Let's see, we could have a misery scale, an "I need TLC" scale, a family needs scale, a call bell frequency ringing scale, an "is my blanket warmed enough" scale, a food deliciousness scale, a housekeeping quality scale..............

to be done every 4 hours by the nurse only (use those assessement skills!); since the pressgaineys are aren't returned at 100% :bow:

Specializes in ER, PACU, Med-Surg, Hospice, LTC.
I swear I think some of them think that if they don't give a high enough number we're not going to give them the pain medication.

You know why patients think that? Because it is true! Sadly, many Nurses seem to think they know the patient's pain much, much better than the patient. A soothsayer of such.....Why ask a pain level number if the Nurse is just going to ignore that number and judge the patient, anyway? I do not get it at all.

Many patients worry that if they provide a low number-they will not be given any medication for pain relief and/or if they give a high number, they now worry they will be criticized or laughed at for having stated that number (and as a result, not be given the appropriate meds for pain relief) How could a patient have that level of pain-many Nurses erroneously ponder. Well, because the patient states they have that level of pain, that's why!

I read the same ol' tiresome example, over and over and over---"My patient told me their pain is 10/10 and they are eating Doritos, drinking Coke and talking, so they obviously are just drug seeking!"

HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE NOT IN PAIN?

Geez, no wonder patients agonize over this stupid "number". I mean, unless one is having excruciating and unbearable stomach pain or severe pain w/ swallowing/chewing/moving their mandible, most people in pain will, yes, eat drink and talk. It's called distraction....and living.

I just want my patients comfortable. Period. I am not a Chemical Dependency Counselor. I am not a leader of a 12-Step program. If they want more pain meds and can handle it-they get it. If they need more pain meds and there isn't an order, I will call the MD and tell the MD the reason the patients is asking for more medication and take it from there. It is not MY job to counsel and place someone through some sort of detox because I feel like it. I am there to keep patients comfortable and when patients are comfortable-it sure makes my job a heck of a lot more pleasant.

P.S. When I had 9/10 pain and was finally given adequate pain meds/relief----ya, I was talking and laughing and I felt on top of the world! Having pain relief that eased the constant fighting of the chronic, violent pain that I was suffering from....did make me feel as though I was on top of the world. I will take the feeling of a strong drug over intense pain any day...that's just me though. I know many people feel that suffering is a sign of resilience, toughness and strength. Suffer away-that's your choice. Few people respect that and it drives most Health Care Professionals totally crazy. I felt so much better with Scheduled drugs (opiates and benzos) and it made my recovery a much faster and much more pleasant one. Why suffer needlessly? What is the point? Who cares if a patient feels 'high'? I guess some Nurses would rather sit back and watch their patients suffer and be in agony. Unless you are a Specialist in a Detox unit-I personally feel that Nurses who undermedicate or are too lazt to get more pain medication or get a pain med switched to a better med for the patients should be reported.

OKAY-off rickety soap box now.

Specializes in Orthopedic, LTC, STR, Med-Surg, Tele.

I recently started asking patients if their pain was at an "acceptable" or "tolerable" level. Holy blank stares, Batman!

I have been guilty of not popping out an answer within the first millisecond of having been asked this question. Usually it's because I'm not expecting it and I'm trying to figure out which would be the best number that describes my actual pain without making my nurse think I'm drug seeking.

Specializes in ED/ICU/TELEMETRY/LTC.

Parabolic? Quadratic? Radiculopathy? It's a stupid system.

Actually just last night I asked a patient to rate his pain, following open heart surgery, as he was grimacing and thrashing about. He replied "1." I said "Only a 1? You seem like you are having more pain than that." To which he responded, "Yes I am going number 1, I am peeing." .....:bugeyes:

Specializes in cardiac-telemetry, hospice, ICU.

Ya know, some people just can't make up their minds, no matter what the question! I have a good friend who I love dearly, but he can just drive me nuts!! Go to a restaurant with a simple menu, and everyone goes around the table and orders. When it gets to him (he is always last because we all know his 'issue'), he stares at the menu as if he has never laid eyes on one before. He stares, the waiter waits... and waits, and then looks to us for clues as to what should happen next. This is but a simple example, when asked about a pain scale I am sure he would become frozen solid.

Decisionus immobilis

I hate the pain scale, I never know what to say.

But you can tell the frequent fliers, they never skip a beat when answering the question.

I will ask "So, are you having any pain?" To which they reply "Yes, its a 10/10, and my dilaudid is due in 7 minutes."

Its also a cultural thing. I'm sure someone has mentioned this one already, but to the many cultures who shy away from admiting pain, the scale is useless. You can sometimes tell these patients are in horrible pain, yet they say its a 2, and according to our pain scale rating on our PRN medications, a pain scale of 2/10 receives tylenol for "mild" pain. This is where educating the patient on the pain scale comes into play, but often they still wont admit it.

I swear I think some of them think that if they don't give a high enough number we're not going to give them the pain medication.

As someone else already said, that is because it is true for some.

I've heard nurses say they won't medicate until the pain is 4/10.

As everyone is saying, this is so completely subjective.

I want my patient as pain-free as possible. Don't give me any "he'll get addicted" crap.

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Specializes in NICU.

Forgive me: nursing school was a long time ago & I work with non-verbal patients, but....

This thread has clearly demonstrated the myriad of reasons the 0-10 is inadequate. So who said that we had to use a scale? Was it the Joint Commission? Why not ask: none, mild, moderate or severe AND tolerable or not tolerable? Then medicate and ask: better, same or worse? How effing hard is that and why is that not adequate?

Pain is whatever the patient says it is, yeaaaaah, but I wish there was some sort of pain scale that can account for the fact that some people say "Oh, hum, I am experiencing 10/10 pain" after wrinkling their nose, thinking about it for a while, twirling their hair, eating their lunch trays happily and yapping into their cellphones.

Forgive me: nursing school was a long time ago & I work with non-verbal patients, but....

This thread has clearly demonstrated the myriad of reasons the 0-10 is inadequate. So who said that we had to use a scale? Was it the Joint Commission? Why not ask: none, mild, moderate or severe AND tolerable or not tolerable? Then medicate and ask: better, same or worse? How effing hard is that and why is that not adequate?

Amen to that!

I am glad my hospital realizes the flaws of the 0-10 system. We can use the 0-10 system or verbal descriptor scale when charting. I use the latter far more than the former.

Numbers are sexy and objective. Also, perhaps someone thought that since there are 10 numbers, we are giving patients 10 choices in expressing the full extent of their pain whereas we are limiting them to four if we ask "None, mild, moderate or severe?"

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