Deer in the headlights pain assessments

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Getting a patient to use the numerical pain scale should be easy, right? Pick a number from one to ten with one being just a little bothersome and ten being the worst pain you have ever felt or imagined. Seems pretty straighforward to me.

But my patients sometimes look at me as if I've asked them to add the square roots of their children's birth dates and round to the nearest hundredth.

They stare at me and scrunch up their faces as if this is a scary pop quiz and they don't want to get it wrong. After a ten or fifteen seconds of agonizing, I get answers like, "Not quite a four and a half," or, "sort of a six," or, "somewhere between a two and a seven."

We all know about the 10/10 folks who want every prn measure available the second they can have it. But this other group seems really cowed by the complexity of the question. I've seen the same expression on people who have just been told they have to do a dozen algebra story problems. I feel for them. I really do. Sometimes I have even said, "Don't put yourself into a tizzy over this," and reassured them that they aren't being graded. Not even on a curve.

When I offer the pain faces as an alternative, I'm not sure if the face they pick matches their actual medical discomfort or if they are expressing the psychological intimidation they feel about having to choose the exactly appropriate not-so-smiley face.

It's not a big deal. We work it out and they get the meds they need. I'm just periodically amazed/amused at the overwhelming burden picking a pain face or number seems to put on some patients. Makes me wish I could offer them some light sedation before putting them through the ordeal. :D

Specializes in ER.

I've found the pain scale to be useless as far as figuring out how much pain a person is in on a one time basis. I like it when I need to know if the meds made their pain better or worse. In triage I write the patient's pain rating and the nonverbal FLACC scale if I'm having trouble making an assessment. About 80% of our patients say 10/10 in triage, so we need to make some kind of nursing judgement. I hear "I can't even stand up," from people in triage all the time that walked in. I don't think they're lying, thy're describing how they feel, in most cases. Then there are the stoic folk who can barely move but say "It's not really a pain, I'm not in any pain, it's just an ache." Those are the sneaky boogers that will drop dead in the waiting room, and apologize to the code team for making a mess. It's not as simple as a numerical scale, or taking the patient's word. I like the MD method of serial exams, and carefully evaluating before and after treatments. Unfortunately we get 5 minutes for triage, not everyone can go first, and I have to make my best guess. Life threatening pain comes before just plain feeling miserable too, and that's a difficult concept to explain (difficult for me to enforce too, I want to make them feel better).

I haven't read through this whole thread so I apologize if someone already posted this but if not.. here's a revised pain scale for those of you who find a bit silly:

Hyperbole and a Half: Boyfriend Doesn't Have Ebola. Probably.

warning: first empty your bladder before clicking

Specializes in NICU.
Then there are the stoic folk who can barely move but say "It's not really a pain, I'm not in any pain, it's just an ache." Those are the sneaky boogers that will drop dead in the waiting room, and apologize to the code team for making a mess.

I can't stop laughing at this one!

Specializes in LTC/Skilled Care/Rehab.

I frequently give narcotics for no pain or pain under 5. I work in rehab so it is important to give patient's pain medication before therapy. Plus it is really difficult to bring down pain once it has reached a certain level. It is very difficult for me to rate my pain on a number scale because I had an induced, non-medicated birth. Nothing really compares to that. We don't give IV pain meds on our floor so it drives me crazy when someone comes to our floor and was getting IV morphine for days. PO pain meds just aren't going to feel the same. Many patients (and doctors) don't understand why we can't and won't give IV pain meds. I tell them we are transitioning them to go home and they won't be receiving IV meds at home.

I haven't read through this whole thread so I apologize if someone already posted this but if not.. here's a revised pain scale for those of you who find a bit silly:

Hyperbole and a Half: Boyfriend Doesn't Have Ebola. Probably.

warning: first empty your bladder before clicking

I was actually hoping someone would come up with this link. I printed it out and took it to work awhile back. Got a lot of laughs.

Thanks for posting the link.

Specializes in Behavioral Health.

Try doing a pain assessment on an Opiate dependent patient in an Alcohol/Drug Rehab facility...not exactly the easiest thing to do...everyone is a "10." :(

Just had a naughty thought. For the "always a ten" crowd, maybe we should ask where it ranks between ten to the first power and ten to the tenth power. :D Never mind. I have a pretty good idea how that would go.

Specializes in Med Tele, Gen Surgical.

@ princessa....Yep, my usual line is, "Because it is very important for you to be able to manage getting to the bathroom, feeding, dressing, and bathing yourself, and since none of the patients here go home on IV dilaudid or morphine, we've got to work on pain management regimen that includes positioning, icing, elevating, and moving along with oral medications to support those activities."

Specializes in acute, critical, home, assisted, MRDD.

I have not read through the entire thread either, but hope this isn't too redundant.

We all learned in nursing school that not only different cultures, but also, different generations express discomfort>pain in their own way. I really think that understanding needs to be kept in mind when we attempt to interpret our patient's needs.

The last number of years I worked with geriatrics, many with some dementia (and certainly much of my time in acute and critical care was also with the elderly). Most places seemed to work with the 'faces' for our elderly because the number system didn't seem to work so well. The one presentation that seemed to work the best - most of the time - was a picture of a thermometer. For some reason that had greater meaning for the elderly. They could point or verbalize. Plus it gives a scale so the patient can move up or down after pain med. I have never understood why this isn't used more often for the elderly. Of course, it wouldn't make much sense for young people who know only digital.

That sounds like a great idea joies, I think I would find it a lot easier for myself too!

Specializes in Med Surg.

I was one of those patients a few days ago. Just changed insurance so I went to a walk in clinic for a horrific sore throat. Seriously, it's the worst I've ever had. They asked me how to rate my pain. Compared to post op pain I've had, it wasn't so bad, but it definitely impacted my life--it hurt to talk, swallow, breathe, all that fun stuff. I told them a 4 or 5 and I don't think they took me that seriously after that. I definitely can empathize with my patients on this. It can be hard to answer, especially in a one time setting like that.

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