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Beyond Beijing, this new surge is not Asia's only flare-up: Japan's capital city of Tokyo has reported more than 20 new cases havens here day over the past six days.
The surges in two of Asia's biggest capitals serve as a clear warning to America and all other countries: reopening risks reinfection.
You know I have thought hard and long since you said this. Would the learning obtained really benefit the nursing student/nurse? Many students do not have reading as their primary learning strategy. What is the payoff?
For quite a while I have thought your true destiny would be a degree in infectious disease or public health. Obviously you know a lot about T cells etc. I do have to take your word for it because you are verbalizing information that I have never committed to memory. I am a nurse and utilize the findings of others in terms of the level of research required to understand the immune system as you say you do. But when I learned you are not willing to fall down on your sword to voice what implementations would help the public protect themselves and others, I realized you only wanted to learn the science for yourself or to be a laboratory scientist who pushes the findings upstairs.
I cannot remember what thread you posted on the horrible time you had when it was determined you have Covid 19. It truly sounded you were extremely miserable. You so graphically described your need for a CPAP etc. Wouldn't you want to save someone such as your children/ other children/adults/elderly from that?
I don’t mean to sound cold, but my personal opinion is that weighed in the balance a million or two of lives is a small price to pay to not destroy the economic future of a generation. The suffering is meaningless to me.
To be honest with you, living in a lab and researching is so incredibly appealing to me. If it paid better that would be my goal.
Lastly, I will level with you as to why I have so little empathy, etc. My latest therapists opinion is I have high functioning ASD, formerly Asperger’s. That’s how I was able to do all the didactic coursework learning for a demsn program in 9 weeks with no background in the sciences. I’m not normal. It’s hard for me to communicate with others. I use forum interactions like this to learn what does and does not offend others so I don’t share those opinions in public settings. I often offend people or am misunderstood and have no idea why.
I was attempting to simplify the representation I was taught in Prescott’s Microbiology and Pathophysiology by Porth.
Carol Porth knows her stuff and has distilled it for nursing students. I would not try to simplify it but then again I knew Carol from my days in Milwaukee and learned so much from any conference she spoke at. Glad you are using her as a reference text.
What ARE you talking about? There is an entire rail yard of evidence that mask wearing protects others and of late that it also offers some protection to the wearer. Which makes sense considering that one of the variables in infection severity is inoculation volume. Get it?
Agree that KN95 are superior (which are only late available at all and are quiet expensive) . Remember that the Trump administration did not enact the DPA back when they needed to.
Also - are you saying that you won't' wear a mask unless it is guaranteed to protect you without doubt? Because the KN95 I see available now are non-medical and certainly not failproof.
I wouldn’t issue people condoms with holes or that had a high rate of breakage failure in them and tell them it was better than nothing. That’s my problem with cloth masks.
I agree the DPA should have been used. Do it right or don’t do it at all.
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Carol Porth knows her stuff and has distilled it for nursing students. I would not try to simplify it but then again I knew Carol from my days in Milwaukee and learned so much from any conference she spoke it. Glad you are using her as a reference text.
The book is so awesome. I’m near Milwaukee now. This area is amazing!
Lastly, I will level with you as to why I have so little empathy
Possessing certain personality traits can help one decide if a nursing career is right for them, and what is expected of them in professional nursing. You are waving a red flag to me as someone who will have an extremely difficult time in nursing school and beyond. You can't just learn empathy and caring while watching others.
You still will not accept the data that shows masks DO protect and are not an analogy such as a condom full of holes. What does it take for you to adjust your values? You have suffered Covid 19, had a horrible time when the illness was acute and still have not recovered back to where you were prior to the illness. Yet no learning took place....in terms of health promotion and disease prevention. These are 2 vital areas in nursing. Again, I will say a lab position in infectious disease, immunotherapy or Chemistry may better suit your personality. But of course I do not know you and you would better know what is the best choice. I gotta say that nursing most definitely needs someone who cares and has empathy.
I became a nurse when the salary was not what it is today. I picked a profession that seemed to suit my attitude and thirst for knowledge. I too did extremely well in high school and self directed learning -- so much so that my ACT science score was acceptable to Marquette in lieu of a high school Chemistry course. (I went to high school for 3 years). But I chose nursing for the people aspect of it. In my own way, in oncology, I feel that I have been supportive of those suffering and provided safe conduct through terribly troubling days. Since you are a reader you may want to read Avery Weisman's book Coping with Cancer. My copy is full of post it notes, crib notes and highlighting. When I retired and was cleaning out my office I discarded all my books including Weisman. I went back to get it because it meant so much to me in my professional life.
Why do I write a book here? I guess I feel I have a lot to say. I hope some of this makes sense to you.
Possessing certain personality traits can help one decide if a nursing career is right for them, and what is expected of them in professional nursing. You are waving a red flag to me as someone who will have an extremely difficult time in nursing school and beyond. You can't just learn empathy and caring while watching others.
You still will not accept the data that shows masks DO protect and are not an analogy such as a condom full of holes. What does it take for you to adjust your values? You have suffered Covid 19, had a horrible time when the illness was acute and still have not recovered back to where you were prior to the illness. Yet no learning took place....in terms of health promotion and disease prevention. These are 2 vital areas in nursing. Again, I will say a lab position in infectious disease, immunotherapy or Chemistry may better suit your personality. But of course I do not know you and you would better know what is the best choice. I gotta say that nursing most definitely needs someone who cares and has empathy.
I became a nurse when the salary was not what it is today. I picked a profession that seemed to suit my attitude and thirst for knowledge. I too did extremely well in high school and self directed learning -- so much so that my ACT science score was acceptable to Marquette in lieu of a high school Chemistry course. (I went to high school for 3 years). But I chose nursing for the people aspect of it. In my own way, in oncology, I feel that I have been supportive of those suffering and provided safe conduct through terribly troubling days. Since you are a reader you may want to read Avery Weisman's book Coping with Cancer. My copy is full of post it notes, crib notes and highlighting. When I retired and was cleaning out my office I discarded all my books including Weisman. I went back to get it because it meant so much to me in my professional life.
Why do I write a book here? I guess I feel I have a lot to say. I hope some of this makes sense to you.
I get what you’re saying, and I agree with your perspective that certain qualities are absolutely necessary for nursing in general; though I think there are some subsets in which my deficiencies won’t be a hindrance. My intention is to either work neonatal (I had a micro-premie) or psych, at the NP level. If I go psych it will be inpatient, or in a prison setting (I was a CO and enjoyed working with the incarcerated.) I get that someone like me shouldn’t be doing everyday interactions with regular patients and their families. I’m self selecting a subset of nursing as my target where I think I could make the most beneficial impact.
Pfizer and BioNTech have shared (PDF) phase 1/2 data suggesting their COVID-19 vaccine triggers stronger CD8 T-cell responses than Moderna’s rival candidate. Four-fifths of subjects who received BNT162b1 had vaccine-induced CD8 T-cell responses and researchers classed most of the responses as strong.
Let the marketing begin. We can be hopeful that we might get the fastest vaccine ever and it might save us from our second wave.
We've been allnurses friends for many years. I like you, enjoy your posts, and respect you.
BUT A person who chooses not to wear a mask around other people can infect someone. That person could also infect many others. That is just plain wrong. I cannot respect their choice to risk their fellow human's health and possibly their life.
I truly pray no asymptomatic virus carrier gets near you. Please stay as far away from a mask-less person, even while you are wearing a mask!
I agree with you completely, Herring. For the sake of saving a confrontation with the individual who posted a remark in favor of not wearing a mask, I worded my response the way I did. I am all for safety and keeping others safe. In fact, I loathe the actions of law breakers, disrespect for others, and all lawlessness.What I meant about respect the person's right about wearing a mask...it was about obeying our constitutional rights only. In I think every state and country should impose a FINE on any person caught NOT wearing a mask in public...including our governmental officials.
I get what you’re saying, and I agree with your perspective that certain qualities are absolutely necessary for nursing in general; though I think there are some subsets in which my deficiencies won’t be a hindrance. My intention is to either work neonatal (I had a micro-premie) or psych, at the NP level. If I go psych it will be inpatient, or in a prison setting (I was a CO and enjoyed working with the incarcerated.) I get that someone like me shouldn’t be doing everyday interactions with regular patients and their families. I’m self selecting a subset of nursing as my target where I think I could make the most beneficial impact.
I can't imagine two specialities where more ill-suited for someone unable to project empathy. In NICU, the parents are patients as much as the baby and they are distraught and frightened. Psych patients the same. Some of the patients are difficult for people who have a good empathy quotient. And as a volunteer in ladies' max security prison, these people have been (usually) so beaten down in life, they can spot a robot a mile away and I don't know what you could offer them without a dose of empathy. Have you thought of the OR? There are lots of overtime opportunities and it would be suitable for your personality. You said it yourself: I get that someone like me shouldn't be doing everyday interactions with regular patients." Yet the groups you mention ARE regular patients having the worst days of their lives. Don't they deserve empathy?
I can't imagine two specialities where more ill-suited for someone unable to project empathy. In NICU, the parents are patients as much as the baby and they are distraught and frightened. Psych patients the same. Some of the patients are difficult for people who have a good empathy quotient. And as a volunteer in ladies' max security prison, these people have been (usually) so beaten down in life, they can spot a robot a mile away and I don't know what you could offer them without a dose of empathy. Have you thought of the OR? There are lots of overtime opportunities and it would be suitable for your personality. You said it yourself: I get that someone like me shouldn't be doing everyday interactions with regular patients." Yet the groups you mention ARE regular patients having the worst days of their lives. Don't they deserve empathy?
Women’s prison and men’s prison are very different. Also, the level of manipulation practiced by incarcerated individuals is astounding. Objectivity is far more important with them than empathy. Also, just because I don’t feel the emotion, doesn’t mean I can’t simulate it perfectly to the majority of people in short interactions.
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47 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
Women’s prison and men’s prison are very different. Also, the level of manipulation practiced by incarcerated individuals is astounding. Objectivity is far more important with them than empathy. Also, just because I don’t feel the emotion, doesn’t mean I can’t simulate it perfectly to the majority of people in short interactions.
My oldest son had Asperger's, now just called ASD. He was an exceptionally sweet and kind boy. He had trouble interpreting facial expressions and this often made his socializations wildly bizarre. He also had difficulty perceiving differences in the behavior of pets versus those of humans he loved. He loved both equally and it took him a while to learn that dogs lick but humans don't. Makes me smile remembering that, though it did get him kicked off the school bus for a while.
Those with ASD can definitely learn by rote what comes instinctively to others. In fact, you could possibly be better at it, because some of the patient behaviors that make it difficult for a neuro-normal person to tap into their empathy may not impact you as easily, as you will be better at acting in a compassionate or helpful way by intent. I don't necessarily believe your ASD will hold you back as a nurse. I will say that nursing is a very political job when it comes to socializing. You will want to keep your finger on the pulse of your relationships on the floor with other professionals. This is far more likely to burn you than the patients will be.
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I don’t mean to sound cold, but my personal opinion is that weighed in the balance a million or two of lives is a small price to pay to not destroy the economic future of a generation. The suffering is meaningless to me.
To be honest with you, living in a lab and researching is so incredibly appealing to me. If it paid better that would be my goal.
Lastly, I will level with you as to why I have so little empathy, etc. My latest therapists opinion is I have high functioning ASD, formerly Asperger’s. That’s how I was able to do all the didactic coursework learning for a demsn program in 9 weeks with no background in the sciences. I’m not normal. It’s hard for me to communicate with others. I use forum interactions like this to learn what does and does not offend others so I don’t share those opinions in public settings. I often offend people or am misunderstood and have no idea why.