The new coronavirus outbreak in Beijing grew to 106 cases Tuesday, with 29 communities in the sprawling Chinese capital back on lockdown.
Yet again, a coronavirus outbreak in China is linked to a food market ...
This coronavirus resurgence and reaction is worryingly reminiscent of the unprecedented lockdown of Wuhan and the surrounding regions in central China that began in January.
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Beyond Beijing, this new surge is not Asia's only flare-up: Japan's capital city of Tokyo has reported more than 20 new cases havens here day over the past six days.
The surges in two of Asia's biggest capitals serve as a clear warning to America and all other countries: reopening risks reinfection.
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16 hours ago, damiorifice said:
Herd immunity remains to be seen. I am hopeful for a vaccine based on the most recent results; a robust immune response with beta and theta cells present after the booster. Very good indeed.
I have no problem wearing a mask during clinicals. Just part of the uniform to me. I have a problem with people being forced to wear inadequate protection giving them the illusion that they are protected, which leads to them ignoring social distancing, hand washing, etc. people are stupid as sheep mostly, and they are dumb enough to think a cloth mask equates total protection. The government should be mass producing kn-95 masks and giving them away free.
Here's the thing. It's NOT inadequate protection. Evidence is telling us it is pretty good protection.....of EACH OTHER. Not of ourselves. It was never intended to protect US. It's to protect everyone else FROM us. If the GOP would stop pretending this is all going to magically disappear, they could put that energy into educational campaigns that would tell people that and do it in a way that speaks to the average healthcare literacy rate of 5-8th grade. The lack of leadership and complete implosion of the government response has cut educational endeavors off at the knees. By denying it is a problem, nobody is going to believe that masking, hand washing or social distancing matters. Even you aren't processing, apparently, that wearing a mask was never intended to keep you safe. It was and is intended to keep us all safe from each other. My mask helps protect you from me. Your mask helps protect me from you. That combined with hand washing and social distancing, widespread testing, contact tracing and appropriate isolation of the ill and/or the exposed is what will solve this and already has solved it for much of Europe, South Korea and others.
That you were positive and don't wear a mask is just remarkable to me. We do not know that you are immune just because you got sick once. Much information is out that the ability to maintain immunity fades after 3 months. Meaning signs are pointing that you can get sick again. Meaning you can spread it again. Put the stupid mask on. Good grief.
Herd immunity remains to be seen. I am hopeful for a vaccine based on the most recent results; a robust immune response with beta and theta cells present after the booster. Very good indeed.
I have no problem wearing a mask during clinicals. Just part of the uniform to me. I have a problem with people being forced to wear inadequate protection giving them the illusion that they are protected, which leads to them ignoring social distancing, hand washing, etc. people are stupid as sheep mostly, and they are dumb enough to think a cloth mask equates total protection. The government should be mass producing kn-95 masks and giving them away free.
You have a right not to wear a mask for whatever reason so long as you avoid going to places where there are other people you put at risk besides yourself. It's that simple.
I also don't know what this nonsense is you're blathering about t-cell immunity. that is at best a wild-eyed dream at this point.
3 hours ago, Nurse SMS said:
That you were positive and don't wear a mask is just remarkable to me. We do not know that you are immune just because you got sick once. Much information is out that the ability to maintain immunity fades after 3 months. Meaning signs are pointing that you can get sick again. Meaning you can spread it again. Put the stupid mask on. Good grief.
To each individual his/her own choice. My choice is to follow Dr Fauci's wise advice because I have 6 severe risk issues, and since I feel much safer following the infectious disease guidelines, that enables me to go to a grocery store or elsewhere if I choose to.
I respect your choice also, especially if you feel you are now immune. Enjoy your day.
It is one of the lowest forms of societal interaction to denigrate others with whom you have opposing opinions.
If a young person wants to intentionally catch the virus, develop T cell mediated immunity, and go about their life, who are we to judge?
I survived Covid and I don’t wear a mask anywhere. I’m not afraid of reinfection. If I hadn’t caught it I would likely wear a mask. But the cat is out of the bag for me. What about the other survivors, should we have to wear a mask to make others feel better about themselves? It’s a placebo to control fear.
If you really want to slow the spread of this virus mandate kn-95 masks. That I support. That makes so much more sense.
What ARE you talking about? There is an entire rail yard of evidence that mask wearing protects others and of late that it also offers some protection to the wearer. Which makes sense considering that one of the variables in infection severity is inoculation volume. Get it?
Agree that KN95 are superior (which are only late available at all and are quiet expensive) . Remember that the Trump administration did not enact the DPA back when they needed to.
Also - are you saying that you won't' wear a mask unless it is guaranteed to protect you without doubt? Because the KN95 I see available now are non-medical and certainly not failproof.
I don’t see an extra 1500-2000 pages as a hill too steep to climb for the payoff.
You know I have thought hard and long since you said this. Would the learning obtained really benefit the nursing student/nurse? Many students do not have reading as their primary learning strategy. What is the payoff?
For quite a while I have thought your true destiny would be a degree in infectious disease or public health. Obviously you know a lot about T cells etc. I do have to take your word for it because you are verbalizing information that I have never committed to memory. I am a nurse and utilize the findings of others in terms of the level of research required to understand the immune system as you say you do. But when I learned you are not willing to fall down on your sword to voice what implementations would help the public protect themselves and others, I realized you only wanted to learn the science for yourself or to be a laboratory scientist who pushes the findings upstairs.
I cannot remember what thread you posted on the horrible time you had when it was determined you have Covid 19. It truly sounded you were extremely miserable. You so graphically described your need for a CPAP etc. Wouldn't you want to save someone such as your children/ other children/adults/elderly from that?
I'm a nurse and science tells me otherwise. Where are all these fabulous T cells for HIV patients, immunocomprised patients, old people, people with cancer? How do they protect themselves from people who won't wear masks? I saw a anti-masker on a video bend over an cough into the face of an infant. D., I don't think you are a sociopath but they are everywhere so why not just be safer?
Exactly. T-cell immunity is at best a vague theory.
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1 hour ago, OldEMTNurse said:
To each individual his/her own choice. My choice is to follow Dr Fauci's wise advice because I have 6 severe risk issues, and since I feel much safer following the infectious disease guidelines, that enables me to go to a grocery store or elsewhere if I choose to.
I respect your choice also, especially if you feel you are now immune. Enjoy your day.
We've been allnurses friends for many years. I like you, enjoy your posts, and respect you.
BUT A person who chooses not to wear a mask around other people can infect someone. That person could also infect many others. That is just plain wrong. I cannot respect their choice to risk their fellow human's health and possibly their life.
I truly pray no asymptomatic virus carrier gets near you. Please stay as far away from a mask-less person, even while you are wearing a mask!
HIV infects helper T cells preventing them from becoming memory T cells, effectively hijacking and destroying the theta cell aspect of our immune systems. That’s why you eventually die of another illness. Immunocompromised people can self isolate and use grocery pick up. You can’t punish the whole country because a few crazy people cough on infants. Those sickos should be jailed.
Actually it infects and destroys T4 helper cells which trigger an immune response to pathogens. Without the T4 signal there is nothing to trigger an immune response in the form of B cells (soldiers) and the production of antibodies.
And this is my problem with the Donald Trump era. No respect for expertise and everyone thinks their un-expert opinion "knows more than the Generals".
Exactly. T-cell immunity is at best a vague theory.
That’s not what convalescent studies of SARS-Covid and Covid-19 recovered patients indicates. T-cell immunity was an important aspect of past vaccinations and is a field being explored for future vaccinations. This is a very interesting read: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3246649/
Actually it infects and destroys T4 helper cells which trigger an immune response to pathogens. Without the T4 signal there is nothing to trigger an immune response in the form of B cells (soldiers) and the production of antibodies.
And this is my problem with the Donald Trump era. No respect for expertise and everyone thinks their un-expert opinion "knows more than the Generals".
I was attempting to simplify the representation I was taught in Prescott’s Microbiology and Pathophysiology by Porth.
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Here's the thing. It's NOT inadequate protection. Evidence is telling us it is pretty good protection.....of EACH OTHER. Not of ourselves. It was never intended to protect US. It's to protect everyone else FROM us. If the GOP would stop pretending this is all going to magically disappear, they could put that energy into educational campaigns that would tell people that and do it in a way that speaks to the average healthcare literacy rate of 5-8th grade. The lack of leadership and complete implosion of the government response has cut educational endeavors off at the knees. By denying it is a problem, nobody is going to believe that masking, hand washing or social distancing matters. Even you aren't processing, apparently, that wearing a mask was never intended to keep you safe. It was and is intended to keep us all safe from each other. My mask helps protect you from me. Your mask helps protect me from you. That combined with hand washing and social distancing, widespread testing, contact tracing and appropriate isolation of the ill and/or the exposed is what will solve this and already has solved it for much of Europe, South Korea and others.
That you were positive and don't wear a mask is just remarkable to me. We do not know that you are immune just because you got sick once. Much information is out that the ability to maintain immunity fades after 3 months. Meaning signs are pointing that you can get sick again. Meaning you can spread it again. Put the stupid mask on. Good grief.