Conflict of Interest

[Divine-LPN,BSN]

I recently attended a community meeting in my town to have an open discussion about troubles in our personal lives. One patron at the meeting stood out to me. For privacy issues I won't say his name. He gave me permission to write this article. The individual who I am writing about was in nursing school. He told me that he finds it hard to survive in his town, even with 3 jobs. Out of desperation, he decided to become an exotic dancer. A month later, he told me that one of the students at the nursing school saw his car parked outside of the exotic club and reported it to faculty at the nursing school. He said that the professors would whisper among each other while in his presence and scrutinized him each time he entered a classroom. By the end of the school week where he noticed peculiar behavior, he was sent to the Dean's office for a meeting. After being informed of multiple complaints from students about inappropriate sexual behavior between classes, he argued his case and was notified of permanent expulsion from the nursing school. The man knew what the real reason was behind his expulsion, but how could he argue with 13 other students? Apparently, rumors spread about his job and it did not sit well with anyone. I felt so bad for him.The young man is very worried about his future endeavors towards becoming a nurse since he feels that he will never be accepted into another school. I suggested that he quit his job and move into a homeless shelter if he could not afford housing. Although the lies about his conduct to get him removed from the program was wrong, he can avoid future problems by changing his job. I vehemently encouraged him to apply to other schools and take that experience as a lesson. Sometimes adversity can be very strong, even unfair, but in order to truly be a successful individual, one must keep reaching for his or her goal. What are your thoughts about this matter? How would you handle the situation if you were facing the financial hardships that he was?

[Sour Lemon]

My thoughts are ...he's not a nurse or a nursing student, and his story (assuming he actually exists) is better suited to the reddit crowd.

[nursel56]

Your account of things is difficult to follow, so I feel it's much better if the person describes their experience themselves. Above all else though, I would advise against going to a community meeting to share my personal problems in an open discussion.

If he was falsely accused of inappropriate sexual behavior by multiple people he needs to fight back.

Having anything of that nature stay unresolved would cause questions to follow him, as well as unnecessary anxiety.

Working as an exotic dancer isn't usually a crime, nor is this the first time that topic has come up among nursing students facing severe financial hardship.

[TriciaJ, RN]

I've learned over the years to be very careful of being sucked in by anyone's hard luck story. It might be completely true but impossible for you to be sure of that. Most people give you only the information they want you to have and conveniently leave things out. Unless you've known this person well for many years it would be really hard to gauge the veracity of his story.

If I had a nickel for every story about why someone was unfairly prevented from graduating from nursing school....

[Davey Do]

With all due respect, Divine LPN, and I wish to be as objective as possible, but I'm experiencing difficulty in supporting your perception in your threads.

Words like "conflict", frauds", "lies" and "passive aggression... dangerous to your health" which have appeared in your thread titles have caused me to look askance.

This is an open forum for nurses to network, exchange information and ideas, and have a bit of fellowship, but I sense something else- Something like a bit of sensationalism?

I will take full responsibility for my perception, for although I'm an allnurses' guide and a representative, I also have opinions that may not jive with those who run this train.

And when it's all said and done- hey- it's only my opinion.

Respectfully submitted.

[Jory, MSN, APRN, CNM]

We have two things going on here:

1. A little snitch causing trouble at the nursing school. He is a student, not an employee. He has the right to do whatever he wants for a job. The dean should have told the trouble-making snitch to mind her own business, and it should have died right there.

2. Students making allegations of sexual misconduct against him without having to face the person making an accusation.

Doesn't work in a court of law, should not be permitted in nursing school. The dean should not have waited until she had 12 or 13 complaints, when she got the first one, BOTH should have been called into her office.

It is much harder to lie when you are standing in front of someone.

It places the accuser in a very powerful position to say anything and the person receiving the compliant left to always defend themselves against a ghost when they are hiding.

He needs to get a lawyer.

However, I will say this...if he was working three jobs plus as an exotic dancer and couldn't pay his bills for a cheap place to live? There is something else going on he's not telling you about and my guess it's of the pharmaceutical variety.

[mtmkjr, BSN]

It would be hard to find 13 students to agree to falsely acuse a person if it were truly baseless.

[hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I]

6 hours ago, Davey Do said:

With all due respect, Divine LPN, and I wish to be as objective as possible, but I'm experiencing difficulty in supporting your perception in your threads.

Words like "conflict", frauds", "lies" and "passive aggression... dangerous to your health" which have appeared in your thread titles have caused me to look askance.

This is an open forum for nurses to network, exchange information and ideas, and have a bit of fellowship, but I sense something else- Something like a bit of sensationalism?

I will take full responsibility for my perception, for although I'm an allnurses' guide and a representative, I also have opinions that may not jive with those who run this train.

And when it's all said and done- hey- it's only my opinion.

Respectfully submitted.

I gotta go with Davey on this one - This would not be the first time a new member started posting items designed to get a rise out of the regular members of this site. Like Davey I am an Allnurses Guide and representative and I too have been called to tasks at times for things I have posted. What I would suggest is that instead of possible creating ridiculous scenarios you simply post your question. such is it bad for me to engage in exotic dancing to fund nursing school?

Good luck to you

Hppy

[TxRn408]

I can't imagine any city in America where you work 3 jobs and still are not meeting your needs. I'm not saying it's impossible but come on. I would like to know what his expenses were. Was he single? Married? Children? Where were his bills from that caused him to work 3 jobs and then some?

19 hours ago, Divine-LPN,BSN said:

Sometimes adversity can be very strong, even unfair, but in order to truly be a successful individual, one must keep reaching for his or her goal.

Agreed. If he truly wants it keep going.

19 hours ago, Divine-LPN,BSN said:

What are your thoughts about this matter?

Unfortunate that it had to come to that. However, it's important to read the student handbook so that you know the terms that lead to dismissal.

19 hours ago, Divine-LPN,BSN said:

How would you handle the situation if you were facing the financial hardships that he was?

Reach out to family if possible.

Reach out for city and state resources.

Take on extra work at my three jobs.

Discuss with school counselors.

Find local charities, don't let pride get in the way of your need.

[Alex Egan, LPN, EMT-B]

23 hours ago, Davey Do said:

With all due respect, Divine LPN, and I wish to be as objective as possible, but I'm experiencing difficulty in supporting your perception in your threads.

Words like "conflict", frauds", "lies" and "passive aggression... dangerous to your health" which have appeared in your thread titles have caused me to look askance.

This is an open forum for nurses to network, exchange information and ideas, and have a bit of fellowship, but I sense something else- Something like a bit of sensationalism?

I will take full responsibility for my perception, for although I'm an allnurses' guide and a representative, I also have opinions that may not jive with those who run this train.

And when it's all said and done- hey- it's only my opinion.

Respectfully submitted.

A strong second from me. Davey thanks for putting to words what I couldn’t articulate.

As for the story. It’s one side, and doesn’t add up so I can’t really make heads or tails of it. Frankly nursing programs are by nature unfair to students. You’re in their world, you play by their rules. Moral turpitude is such a broad phrase it can be applied to just about anything, so I’m sure even as presented the school is within their rights to dismiss the student.

Stripping is sex work if you do sex work while holding or seeking a professional license it may not go well for you. That’s a fact of life. Not a fact I agree with, but a fact non the less.

[VivaLasViejas, ASN, RN]

Seems I recall a similar posting awhile back about stripping---or was it being an escort? Or both? I've been here for so long that threads kinda run into each other.

Anyway, I'm with Davey and hppy; there is something decidedly odd about this post. Maybe the OP would like to clarify a few things, like how the poor fellow was managing nursing school on top of three jobs on top of working as an exotic dancer, or if he was doing that INSTEAD of the three jobs. There's just not enough information to make any kind of judgment call. Sorry.

[Ruby Vee, BSN]

On 2/15/2019 at 6:56 PM, Divine-LPN,BSN said:

I recently attended a community meeting in my town to have an open discussion about troubles in our personal lives. One patron at the meeting stood out to me. For privacy issues I won't say his name. He gave me permission to write this article. The individual who I am writing about was in nursing school. He told me that he finds it hard to survive in his town, even with 3 jobs. Out of desperation, he decided to become an exotic dancer. A month later, he told me that one of the students at the nursing school saw his car parked outside of the exotic club and reported it to faculty at the nursing school. He said that the professors would whisper among each other while in his presence and scrutinized him each time he entered a classroom. By the end of the school week where he noticed peculiar behavior, he was sent to the Dean's office for a meeting. After being informed of multiple complaints from students about inappropriate sexual behavior between classes, he argued his case and was notified of permanent expulsion from the nursing school. The man knew what the real reason was behind his expulsion, but how could he argue with 13 other students? Apparently, rumors spread about his job and it did not sit well with anyone. I felt so bad for him.The young man is very worried about his future endeavors towards becoming a nurse since he feels that he will never be accepted into another school. I suggested that he quit his job and move into a homeless shelter if he could not afford housing. Although the lies about his conduct to get him removed from the program was wrong, he can avoid future problems by changing his job. I vehemently encouraged him to apply to other schools and take that experience as a lesson. Sometimes adversity can be very strong, even unfair, but in order to truly be a successful individual, one must keep reaching for his or her goal. What are your thoughts about this matter? How would you handle the situation if you were facing the financial hardships that he was?

One thing that I've noticed about men who are accused of inappropriate sexual behavior -- none of them think they did it.