Conflict of Interest

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  1. Was that man's choice unethical?

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I recently attended a community meeting in my town to have an open discussion about troubles in our personal lives. One patron at the meeting stood out to me. For privacy issues I won't say his name. He gave me permission to write this article. The individual who I am writing about was in nursing school. He told me that he finds it hard to survive in his town, even with 3 jobs. Out of desperation, he decided to become an exotic dancer. A month later, he told me that one of the students at the nursing school saw his car parked outside of the exotic club and reported it to faculty at the nursing school. He said that the professors would whisper among each other while in his presence and scrutinized him each time he entered a classroom. By the end of the school week where he noticed peculiar behavior, he was sent to the Dean's office for a meeting. After being informed of multiple complaints from students about inappropriate sexual behavior between classes, he argued his case and was notified of permanent expulsion from the nursing school. The man knew what the real reason was behind his expulsion, but how could he argue with 13 other students? Apparently, rumors spread about his job and it did not sit well with anyone. I felt so bad for him.The young man is very worried about his future endeavors towards becoming a nurse since he feels that he will never be accepted into another school. I suggested that he quit his job and move into a homeless shelter if he could not afford housing. Although the lies about his conduct to get him removed from the program was wrong, he can avoid future problems by changing his job. I vehemently encouraged him to apply to other schools and take that experience as a lesson. Sometimes adversity can be very strong, even unfair, but in order to truly be a successful individual, one must keep reaching for his or her goal. What are your thoughts about this matter? How would you handle the situation if you were facing the financial hardships that he was?

(tongue planted in cheek) He should stick with dancing, the pay is better and tipping is allowed. (/tongue in cheek).

Specializes in Pediatric Burn ICU.

Who here had enough time outside of nursing school and a flexible enough class schedule to allow 3 jobs and stripping? Not me.

Specializes in Surgical, Home Infusions, HVU, PCU, Neuro.

There are always three sides to every story, in your case we have: Student Side, School Side and truth. For the strangers on the internet, we do not have enough information from any of those sides to form an opinion which may or may not have helped said student to begin with.

My take: generally dancers, exotic dancers, strippers, or whatever you may want to label them as, make decent money and more so if they are good at what they do or are charasmatic. Your town meeting neighbor worked as a dancer and had an additional 3 jobs. your conclusion to his dancing skills can be formed now..........

Who goes to a "town meeting" to have an open discussion about problems in their personal lives using their "town neighbors" as a council? Not being ugly just really confused on if this is really a standard "meeting", I always thought it was a meeting to discussion concerns within the community and brainstorm on stratagies for correction etc..

Seems to me there is a umbrage being sought but not being received......

Specializes in Home Health (PDN), Camp Nursing.
1 hour ago, Kallie3006 said:

Who goes to a "town meeting" to have an open discussion about problems in their personal lives using their "town neighbors" as a council? Not being ugly just really confused on if this is really a standard "meeting", I always thought it was a meeting to discussion concerns within the community and brainstorm on stratagies for correction etc..

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This got me as well. I read it as church or AA/NA that makes the most sense to me. Unless this is some version of the "I just left a hipster coffee house" meme for nurses.

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Can I ask what country you are in? "Patron" is not used in the US, neither is a "town council" utilized for personal problems.

Perhaps this is a cultural issue.

Specializes in Psychiatry, Community, Nurse Manager, hospice.

Working as an exotic dancer is not relevant to the ethics of a nurse or a student. Student ethics pertains to choices like not cheating, not plagiarizing, doing your best work. Nursing ethics concerns values such as maintaining patient privacy, honesty in documentation, advocacy for the patient and more.

If the guy sexually harassed multiple people at school, then he was expelled for good cause. If he didn't sexually harass anyone, but a bunch of people decided to slander him because they didn't like that he was an exotic dancer, that's unfortunate for him. I think the latter is unlikely. I've been sexually harassed more times than I can count. It may be less common in today's environment, but I doubt it is uncommon. If multiple women are accusing him, he probably is very often inappropriate, and possibly doesn't even get it.

I hope he has the insight to really understand what went wrong there.

I would never advise anyone to quit their job and go to a homeless shelter. What were you thinking?

Also, you do not understand the concept "conflict of interest". That does not apply here at all.

Specializes in School Nursing.
On 2/16/2019 at 3:05 PM, TxRn408 said:

I can't imagine any city in America where you work 3 jobs and still are not meeting your needs. I'm not saying it's impossible but come on. I would like to know what his expenses were. Was he single? Married? Children? Where were his bills from that caused him to work 3 jobs and then some?

I can tell you it's not easy in some areas. I am divorced, with a disabled adult child. I work 2 jobs, and I am looking for a third. My rent is one paycheck from my primary job, and it's not in the greatest or safest neighborhood. It's the best I can afford. My son receives SSI, but it's a very small amount and not very helpful. My bills are normal house bills and 2 credit cards. I don't live a fancy life. So please, don't be so judgemental of others when you don't know their circumstances.

Specializes in Med-Surg.
On 2/17/2019 at 5:06 PM, Ruby Vee said:

One thing that I've noticed about men who are accused of inappropriate sexual behavior -- none of them think they did it.

This is where my mind went as well. Perhaps he lacks self awareness about his actions. But I'm curious why the other student "happened" to see his car in the strip club parking lot. What was the other student doing at the strip club?

I think this smells like a troll.

At the very least it's very inappropriate to give so much detail about this man. Wasn't there any disclaimer at the meeting about, "what's shared in this meeting stays in this room."

Other posts by LPN-BSN (whose user name makes no sense) have been just as odd.

In situations like this, I find it useful to use language similar to what I used with my kids when they related incidents of unclear veracity:
"Wow, that's a really involved story! Now, is there something that concerns you that you wanted to talk about?"

Specializes in kids.

Call me silly...(and many do on any given day) but, have not heard back from OP and I don't understand their title, LPN, BSN? I would think that once you have your BSN, you drop the LPN? Unless of course, you have not passed the NCLEX?

26 minutes ago, Katillac said:

In situations like this, I find it useful to use language similar to what I used with my kids when they related incidents of unclear veracity:
"Wow, that's a really involved story! Now, is there something that concerns you that you wanted to talk about?"

This is great advice....hope I can remember it when my grandson does the same thing.

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