BSN from 4 year program required

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A friend of mine was recently looking at utilization review positions and ran across this:

BSN from a 4 year program required.

So that means of course that an ADN who chose to advance their education to a BSN, will be excluded, even though they come with years of experience.

There will be no reason for ADN's to advance their education if they do not have any opportunity in other fields.

I'm sure this is money driven. Why else would an employer limit their applicants to 4-year program BSNs who may be new grads with little to no experience?

Thoughts?

I was once suspended after a female patient (who was admitted after attemptingto cut her own throat after her boyfriend dumper her) stated that she had been touchedinappropriately by a male staff. I was the only male RN who worked on that unitand I was immediately suspended pending investigation. The investigation didn'tget further than looking at the schedule to determine that the patient and Iwere never in the hospital at the same time, but still it sucked not to get thebenefit of the doubt.

This is standard practice in these kind of situations; there's no such thing as "the benefit of the doubt." Even if your superiors don't believe the accuser and are confident that the nurse did nothing inappropriate, the standard response is to suspend and do the investigation (to protect the hospital legally). You were not in any way being singled out or treated any differently than a female colleague would have been. (BTW, what possible significance or relevance is there to her having been admitted s/p a suicide attempt? Does that mean she automatically can't be trusted or believed, or has waived her right to not be sexually assaulted in the hospital?)

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I might. What state are you in now and is relocating a possibliety?

Ohio & yes

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I think it's also trying to stress that the BSN comes from a school with a complete 4 year program. Some ADN to BSN schools only have that program , I believe it's called the leadership courses. Which can be done completely online. It's possible that this person believes such programs do not turn out a high enough quality BSN, compared to BSNs that come from schools that have a full BSN program. Even if you do a ADN to BSN at a 4 year school, the students will be taking the same leadership courses, from the same Professors.

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BSN from a 4 year program required.

What will those stupid 20-something HR lackeys think of next! :roflmao: Probably ANYONE who has a BSN has been through a 4 year program, LOL. It's usually one year now to complete the college prereqs for getting into AS or diploma RN school + apply + test + get accepted, then 24 months to complete the R.N. school, and then it's at least another 12 to 18 months to complete the bridge to BSN. So, yeah, all have 4 years or more. Apply! >;-D

R.N.s in general, not just the male R.N.s seem to get fired alarmingly often, and for almost no reason. I think at least 2 of my former nursing school cohort were fired from their first jobs and are on job #2 or #3 by now. They graduated in Dec 2012.

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his is standard practice in these kind of situations; there's no such thing as "the benefit of the doubt." Even if your superiors don't believe the accuser and are confident that the nurse did nothing inappropriate, the standard response is to suspend and do the investigation (to protect the hospital legally).

I understand. However the fact that the patient and I were not even in the same city during the time of the allegation, and never in the same hospital at any point, should have mitigated their reaction. None of the male respiratory therapists were suspended and some them where actually in the building with her. None of the male physicians were suspended despite several having examined her. I absolutely do not feel I was treated the same as a female nurse would have been. On that same unit there were other instances I can recall of demented older men telling everyone that his nurse was his girlfriend, or claiming that peri care was "fooling around". Eye rolls or "isn't that cute" was the reaction.

(BTW, what possible significance or relevance is there to her having been admitted s/p a suicide attempt? Does that mean she automatically can't be trusted or believed, or has waived her right to not be sexually assaulted in the hospital?

To the first question, as to whether she can be trusted the answer is obviously no. She can't be trusted. Maybe you are not aware of what happens to ICU patients who suffered large wounds in a trauma. They often get intubated, given lots of sedatives and narcotics, not to mention physiological trauma and PTSD and they are not trustable in the things they say and do while in their drug induced fog.

As for the second question, come on now. Don't be absurd.

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What will those stupid 20-something HR lackeys think of next! :roflmao: Probably ANYONE who has a BSN has been through a 4 year program, LOL. It's usually one year now to complete the college prereqs for getting into AS or diploma RN school + apply + test + get accepted, then 24 months to complete the R.N. school, and then it's at least another 12 to 18 months to complete the bridge to BSN. So, yeah, all have 4 years or more. Apply! >;-D

R.N.s in general, not just the male R.N.s seem to get fired alarmingly often, and for almost no reason. I think at least 2 of my former nursing school cohort were fired from their first jobs and are on job #2 or #3 by now. They graduated in Dec 2012.

Must not be union. I can't imagine being fired at random.

I still find it interesting the interpretation people have of the criteria. I guess it is pretty vague if none of us can really agree what is preferred.

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I took the content of the ad to mean that the employer is requiring a 4 year degree without specifications about straight 4 years or RN-BSN. I think they just want a BSN.

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I took the content of the ad to mean that the employer is requiring a 4 year degree without specifications about straight 4 years or RN-BSN. I think they just want a BSN.

That's how I took it as well. :yes:

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To the first question, as to whether she can be trusted the answer is obviously no. She can't be trusted. Maybe you are not aware of what happens to ICU patients who suffered large wounds in a trauma. They often get intubated, given lots of sedatives and narcotics, not to mention physiological trauma and PTSD and they are not trustable in the things they say and do while in their drug induced fog.

As for the second question, come on now. Don't be absurd.

I work in the consultation-liaison psychiatry service in a large, urban academic medical center, and a fair amount of my time is spent dealing with clients in the various ICUs here. So, yes, I am aware of what happens with ICU clients, with extensive trauma as well as those in the ICUs for medical reasons. My medical center recently had two women in roughly this same scenario, extended ICU stays that included intubation/ventilation and intervals of acute delirium (although they were not admitted s/p suicide attempts), who later made allegations of sexual assault while in the ICU, and the allegations were taken seriously, a thorough investigation was done, and the authorities were notified. They were not written off and there was no assumption made that their allegations couldn't be valid because they were not "trustable" because of their "drug induced fog." And that's how it should be done.

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allegations were taken seriously, a thorough investigation was done, and the authorities were notified. They were not written off and there was no assumption made that their allegations couldn't be valid because they were not "trustable" because of their "drug induced fog." And that's how it should be done.

I find this a strange thing to say and have no idea why you are saying in response me to me.

My only response is, of course!

Naturally when a patient makes allegations an investigation must be conducted. How could it possibly be any different? Who would possibly expect anything different? The patient's state of mind would of course be taken into account by investigators.

Maybe you didn't see my earlier post very clearly explaining that an investigation was preformed? My issue is that only nursing decided to suspend the sole male RN working in the unit. It was not a case of the hospital protecting itself as another posted suggested. As I mentioned it's not like all the male staff that were in contact with the patient were suspended pending an investigation, only the male nurse. This decision was made by a female nurse manager who later was to make several anti male nurse comments and lead me to seek a different job.

If you can't see the inconsistency and discrimination in that then we will just have to agree to disagree.

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Must not be union. I can't imagine being fired at random.

That happened at my first job all the time. Sometimes we could understand why someone got sacked. Other times...

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Sorry if someone has already pointed this out - but I think that the OP may have misinterpreted the job posting.

To me, the job posting is clearly stating that they do not want any nurses who obtained their nursing education via a "accelerated" or fast track program. Many organizations - mine included - are avoiding these grads due to previous issues.

So - if you have obtained your BSN via a typical completion program, you have invested MORE than 4 years in your BSN... you'd certainly be eligible.

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