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    Charlie Gard

    Why didn't they just listen to the trained medical professionals who told them the truth back in October. July has been like watching two people who've lost their marbles. They act like they are on autopilot or something, like they never listened to anything their medical team surely, by now, has told and retold them a dozen and one times. I can't help wondering if Connie Yates (in particular) keeps trying to prolong the inevitable in order to avoid having to face the future. Her relationship with Chris Gard may end after Charlie's death. I hope they both have a good support system, but I worry most about her. She already looks like walking skeleton and the biggest crash hasn't even happened yet. If they break up after this, she goes back to ... What? Motherhood and a houseful of children with some other man? Single again, trying to reenter the dating scene? Throw herself into her career (she doesn't appear to have one, because "carer" seems to be generally an unpaid caregiver for immediate family or disabled child, and receives a government allowance for the only the duration of that gig.) See what I mean? Blasting your personal life all over the Internet, and this time, literally all over the WORLD, no privacy. Hell on Earth to me. But maybe it doesn't bother the younger generation so much. I just think some things ought to be private, not social media fodder.
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    Ethics in grading?

    I'll preface this by saying I was in a diploma school that enrolled a cohort of 65-75 students EVERY year, if they could find that many students. But they only graduated a class of 25-35 students, at most, consistently over the recent 4 years I have made it my business to track that school. That 25-25 is a mix of the original cohort, plus failed students from the previous year who were permitted to resume the program and repeat the failed term, plus a select few who'd either failed out or just plan transferred in from other area diploma schools. So, that means that the school actually fails MORE than 50% of the cohort, and since they have a consistent pattern of doing so, they actually INTEND to significantly whittle the size of a cohort. This could be due to the realities of the job market, meaning shrinking opportunities for their diploma grads to get hired. But since the diploma school has also consistently fed diploma grads to several area RN-BSN bridge degree programs, I believe the real reasons for this are 1) the hospital does not have the capacity to handle cohorts of greater that 25-35 students in Year 2, when students go into the more intense med-surg clinicals and capstone projects, and 2) enrolling such a large cohort generates double the revenue stream in Term 1, and this probably doesn't drop off much until much closer to the end of Year 1. Money in the bank for the school, and a raw deal for the >50% that will not graduate. One of the tactics I firmly believe that school used to flunk people out was exams like you describe. Since I have other college degrees and 24 years of engineering experience for a major corporation, I can say that in ANY OTHER college degree or workforce development program, having 100% of students fail an exam would be inexcusable and whomever designed such and exam would be called on the carpet. NEVER would the students be blamed. Possibly lawsuits would be filed, since people's GPAs and future careers and financial aid and financial solvency are at stake. In other words, effery abounds in nursing schools, and rarely does the nursing school get the bad press and the public flogging it deserves. Instead, people choose to believe that the students have legitimately failed, and that this process of weeding out students via underhanded treachery and blatant fraud somehow ensures that only the truly deserving students go on to become RNs. As a mature adult, I can recognize a crock of stinking excrement without having to delve too deeply into it. >;-) When I talked to the top students in my class who were managing to stay afloat, they all said their strategy was to NOT waste time reading the texts. They all said that what they did was simply go over and over and over the material that was covered in lectures and didn't even bother with the rest. You needed 80% to pass, and better than 80% of test material came from lecture handouts and notes, they said. (I on the other hand, did dutifully try to read and study and also RETAIN every bit of textbook assignment and lecture notes were were assigned, to physical and mental exhaustion and beyond. and my grades did nothing but fall.) Ymmv. But just be advised that there may games at play here, and students need to think strategically and not just naively that the school has the best interests of all of you at heart. In cases like this, maybe students and parents need to get attorneys involved, and also need to go to the local Workforce retraining personnel at (usually) the local unemployment office, and make them all aware of it when something very odd like this happens.
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    diploma vs. bsn program, I can't decide...

    Can you get a new-grad RN job where you live or where you intend to live, with "just" a diploma RN? Or would you need a BSN to be hired as RN? LTC facilities in TX still hire new-grad diploma RNs with no experience. Hospitals in more rural areas may or may not still hire new-grad diploma RNs. Hospitals in urban areas with a glut of new-grad college BSNs can afford to be snobby and make BSN their entry-level. What state are you in? Western PA still has loads of diploma RN programs within 100 miles of Pittsburgh, and all of them that I looked at in 2010-2012 had just as much actual non-RN science and gen-ed college credits as the community college ADN programs, but the actual nursing courses were all hospital-based. That was the only real difference. All of the grads of diploma RN schools in western PA who have valid RN licenses are eligible for bridge programs from diploma RN to BSN. Most but not all of the local hospitals still wanted to hire the top half of the diploma school RN grads, because the local diploma grads had more actual floor experience than some of the university BSNs, and/or had already worked years as LPNs or CNAa and thus were easier to transition into the hospital's workforce. Everyone that I know who got a diploma RN in 2012-2015 who completed a RN/BSN bridge program said: 1. The bridge BSN degree did not teach ANY new bedside nursing / clinical skills whatsoever. It was all theory, research, and public health, and just writing, writing, writing a metric shite tonne of papers. All of the bedside skills they needed had been well-taught by the diploma program. 2. All of those diploma RNs attended BSN school while working full-time, and their employers paid all or majority of the cost for the BSN bridge degree, regardless of how outrageously expensive some of those programs were at private colleges. 3. All said that compared to the stressfullness and the relentless strain of maintaining a passing grade in our diploma RN school (that had a curriculum that veered all over the road and ran clinicals as almost a totally separate set of rotations that were not synced with the lectures), the BSN bridge programs were monotonous and tedious but easy-peasy. I didn't finish the program I was enrolled in, because I decided that nursing is not a good fit for me. But all of my diploma school cohort who did finish passed NCLEX-RN and found jobs, albeit some of them moved out he western PA to do so. I think the majority of those just wanted to leave the stodgy Rust Belt anyhow and RN offered a very portable ticket out. In terms of actual. training, the diploma schools were able to give students avenues into clinical experiences that the community colleges could not, just because the hospitals can and do offer more weighty clinical experiences to their own students just because a) It's part of the marketing strategy to overcome the diploma stigma vs. college ADN, and b) They own the facilities so they can do as they please when they please and do not have to beg and plead for clinical sites the way the community colleges do. The only clinical deficit that I experienced at my diploma RN school was they had no actual children at that hospital for pediatrics, so all of that except mother/baby consisted of sim lab work and practice on mannequins. The reason for that was that the other local hospital that they had formerly partnered with for pediatrics changed their policy to "We don't hire any new-grad diploma RNs anymore, so therefore, our facilities will no longer be available for diploma schools to use for their clinicals.
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    Contemplating LPN? Already have Bachelors

    Here in Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio, every county has a vo-tech that offers LPN that can be completed in 1 year or less. It's a trade school type degree that doesn't transfer to college credit later. We have at least one community college that offers LPN as a college degree and the courses in it transfer into the associate degree RN program at that same college. Accelerated BSN would be a whole different animal from LPN. You'd probably have to complete prereqs to get accepted and then once you're in the accelerated program is very rigorous itself. I'm not sure why people suggested that. In rural areas of PA, and other place s clamoring for RNs, like Texas, it's not difficult for a diploma school RN or ADRN to land a jobin hospitals or LTC. In the urban areas, the hospitals got picky because they have a glut of new BSNs to pick from and they won't hire a new-grad who is less than a BSN, and they might have requirements that their diploma and AD RN employees complete BSN by a certain deadline to keep their jobs. Pay for a new-grad LPN in my rural are was $15/hr back in 2011. A new-grad RN was more like $22-$25. But, down in the Pittsburgh and Washington, PA areas some of the nursing home and LTCs were paying LPNs anywhere from $19 to $22/hr. Some people that I know went to LPN school and then got jobs and started on a BSN as soon as possible and had employer paying for the majority or all of it. Hospitals here, even in this rural area, have for the most part booted out the LPNs and one needs to be RN to get a hospital job other than CNA. I was told by the LPN schools that LPNs mostly work in LTC and we should expect that hospitals would not be hiring LPNs.
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    How old is too old to become a new RN?

    I don't have time to read through all of the pages of this thread. But, what women who have been nurses for decades forget is that those of us who have had less physically demanding jobs for those decades are a lot fresher in our 50s because we haven't had all of that nursing wear and tear. I completed all college prereqs and a full year of hospital based diploma RN school. I threw in the towel and decided that RN isn't for me, but it surely wasn't the physical demands of it that turned me off. I just didn't like dealing with the lower caliber of people comprising the general public, after decades of working in engineering, computers, and industry. Y'know, a work environment that isn't full of losers, liars, addicts, welfare mamas, and criminals. There were several older women and a couple of older men in my cohort. As far as I know, none of the career-changers age 45 or greater had any problem landing jobs. The oldest woman was in her early 60s and she went into hospice nursing, but she said all along that was her goal. One went into psych. The hospital itself had a rule that no employee lifts more than 35#. In theory, that was great, but in practice, I suspect it might not always work out that way. I had no problems performing the physical requirements of clinicals. I did find that choice of shoe is very important to my feet, but I'd have the same problem in teaching or retail or any job that requires walking around on concrete floors all the time. The emotional wear and tear was too much for me, personally. I am too much on an introvert who likes to just work and not be bothered by people, so you can see why nursing would wind up feeling like taking a whipping all the time. lol
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    No, they don't want find out. They are just very convinced of their power to force their values and preferences onto other people, and make other people bend to their will. That may have worked on doting parents, but it won't work on everyone and it usually doesn't work in the dating world or the workplace. If you are "trouble" or "look weird" and can easily be replaced by some less controversial person, you will be passed over or replaced. Just as the tattoo devotees have a right to their opinion that tatts are fantastic and should be allowed everywhere, OTHER PEOPLE have an equally valid right to think tatts are inappropriate or ill-advised or unattractive or low-class. You can try to make the whole world conform to your opinions, but don't be surprised at the backlash you'll eventually experience. This tattoo nonsense has been around so long that a lot of people, myself included, just look at tattoos as more booring foolishness, more Look-at-MEEEEEEEEE.
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    I think YOU are the one who missed the point of Heinz57's post, which is don't do something that you might regret later. You sound blissfully ignorant, lol. Don't do something that could handicap you. My mother told us kids "If everyone jumped in the lake, would you jump in the lake?" Sure, tatts may be hot or mainstream now. That doesn't mean they will *always* be in vogue or mainstream throughout time. Rudee Vallee's megaphone crooning music was real popular in the 1930s, but I bet comparatively few people like it nowadays. This is to all of those who insist on following the crowd: IF you want to ink yourself all up, the fact is that you do so at your own risk. Put aside a large sum of money that you can use for tatt removals later, because one day you just might get sick and tired of those tatts and want them gone. Cher was one of the first women who tatted herself up, back in what, the early '80s? To me, tattoos are just old hat now. Tiresome, hackneyed, unnecessary. At a glance, many of them look like dirt on skin. I can't help looking at photos of even the '90s and seeing how much CLEANER the tattoo-free people look. That natural skin just looks OH SO MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE to me. Other people have mentioned that patients may adversely react to tattoos, too. But, hey, it's your body. You can pump it full of unregulated tattoo pigments from God knows where, to your heart's content, but don't come crying around when fashions change or you get some illness from heavy metals, or someone who'd make a good spouse passes you by for marriage material, or you look like Hades when you're 75. Because all we conservative people are going to say is "I told you so."
  8. I think that too many nursing schools have realized that this type of student is their future. If mom & dad or spouse can't pay, and there are no grants, and the reality is that MOST of the students are non-traditional older students and career-changers with other obligations, schools must change with the times. The keep-away game, where nursing instructors try to weed out students they deem "unsuitable," has to end. And schools will have to start teaching in a way that makes for a more efficient learning experience for students, instead of purposely trying to weed out students.
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    Best way to become an RN

    Take a good look at the LPN program. Is it set up to be a feeder into RN or BSN degrees? I'm in Pennsylvania. There is one community college near me that offers a LPN degree, and that's a rarity here. That LPN degree is structured so that all of the credits in it will transfer to their associate degree R.N. program. Most would transfer to another school's BSN program. If you are looking at an associate degree program like that, then maybe it's worth considering because you'd still be doing coursework for the BSN, in essence. But in general, many associate degrees contain special associate degree courses that won't transfer into any baccalaureate degree whatsoever. We also have, in western PA and NE OH, vo-techs and trade schools offering LPN programs that take only 1 year to complete and are very affordable. But they are not college degree programs. Maybe all that a college or university will give a student transfer credit for is Nursing I, and that's only if the student can pass a proficiency test. If you want to go on for BSN, and the LPN coursework won't transfer, then you should just pursue RN.
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    ADN nurses Los Angeles

    I have two friends who finished the diploma RN school in Pennsylvania that I attended but didn't finish. Both were grausated in Dec 2012 and passed NCLEX-RN soon after. One stayed in that town, got a RN job in ER, and finished her BSN while working fulltime. She became a travel nurse to pay off her school loans. She took an assignment in South Carolina, I believe, as her first travel job. Then she went to LA. The pay is good and there is plenty of work. Experience + BSN worked for her. Another didn't find work in PA immediately after school and NCLEX. She lived in a small town and worked for Krispy Creme and Victoria's Secret. She used those two retailers to relocate (at her expense) to Texas near Dallas and began working two retail jobs there. Then she easily got an entry-level RN job at a nursing home with just her diploma RN. After a little more than a year, she had enough experience to land a hospital job. As far as I know,m she has taken no steps to start a BSN. Obviously she's not in Los Angeles, but she overcame obstacles and lack of jobs in decaying PA and moved to a more prosperous urban area.
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    Washington Hospital school of Nursing

    Class of 2015. This diploma school has consistently graduated a class of about 30-35 from 2012 to current, even after curriculum changes. Buyer beware. It's sink or swim there. Starting a class of 60-65 students and finishing 30-35 including transfers-in and returning students who failed the previous year seems suspicious to me. Also, the director Gaye Falletta is retiring. She was the one that THW hired in 2011 to replace the one they fired in 2011. That may bode more changes, but they could be improvements, to be fair.
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    To old for nursing school?

    It's pretty much a fallacy for many people to think that "retirement is just around the corner." Unless one has a large nestegg or is a broken down wreck at 65, there's no real reason to ever quit work that you can do competently. Remember, the retirement age 65 was set decades ago in a time when many people died in their 40s or 50s and relatively few even made it to age 65. Age 30 is nothing. Change your career. Enjoy life.
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    Can my school change prerequisite requirements?

    Religion class doesn't sound like a huge workload on the prof. Talk to the prof and see if he or she will allow an extra student in the class. You have to figure there's always one who drops out or drops at the last minute when they can't pay.
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    Why are you a nurse and not a doctor?

    I just read something the other day (actually, several articles online) that said med schools across the board were expanding to be able to admit larger classes. It you're interested, go for it. There's always an emphasis on family practice. I know several DOs who got admitted to med school by saying they wanted to be GPs in a rural area. Then they became specialists in large urban areas.
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    Doubts about Second Career in Nursing

    Rates depend on what your local cc charges. Butler BC3.EDU here is really low for Butler county residents. $141 / credit, full time $1,500 + $41 Per Credit outside Butler county $241/credit, full time $3,000 + $41 Per Credit Add $25/credit for online courses. Add a one time lab fee $35 per lab course. Beaver county is higher for non-beaver county ccbc.edu Maricopa online might offer courses that cost you less. I paid about $600 for 3cr Soc101 from them, back in 2011.