A friend of mine was recently looking at utilization review positions and ran across this:
BSN from a 4 year program required.
So that means of course that an ADN who chose to advance their education to a BSN, will be excluded, even though they come with years of experience.
There will be no reason for ADN's to advance their education if they do not have any opportunity in other fields.
I'm sure this is money driven. Why else would an employer limit their applicants to 4-year program BSNs who may be new grads with little to no experience?
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Ten to one that the person who wrote the ad was a recruiter. If I saw that, I would continue to apply anyway.
One that I have seen is a requirement that the degree is from a CCNE or NLNAC accredited school. A lot of hospitals go through HR first.
Now that I agree with. I do think schools should be held to those academic standards/accreditations, and if one goes to a school that isn't, like a school near me, that only carries accreditation in my state, then go to this school at your own risk.
One thing I disagree with NLNAC accreditation is that they require a certain number of MSN instructors. For a small rural school, that probably won't happen.
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tokmom, I'm understanding the wording differently, as in "BSN from a 4 year program required" would include ADN-BSN's who participate in the last several semesters of a 4 year program.[/quote
What makes you say this?
Maybe I'm confused. I have never heard of an ADN merging into the last 2 years of a BSN program. Those students are always in their own program, away from the typical 4 yr nursing student. In my neck of the woods anyway.
Any HR person or hiring manager will tell you of the many apps they receive from totally unqualified, often unlicensed, people. I know I've gotten some doozies.
i think this is just an ambiguously worded attempt to stress a BSN, as in 4 years of post HS college credit. A BSN is typically a 4 year program. You may not take all 4 years there, but you will have the 4 years of equivalent education.
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So, it's an ageist and classist move? Sounds like that could be it!.
I would view it as more likely a sexist move. Since the majority of men enter nursing through ADN programs (thus often go on to do RN to BSN) this would be an easy way to reduce the number of male applicants.
I would view it as more likely a sexist move. Since the majority of men enter nursing through ADN programs (thus often go on to do RN to BSN) this would be an easy way to reduce the number of male applicants.
Males are given preferential treatment in my area and others in (yet another) attempt to further promote nursing as a profession. Even newly graduated males get swooped up by employers very quickly, because there is a 'demand' for male nurses.
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Males are given preferential treatment in my area and others in (yet another) attempt to further promote nursing as a profession. Even newly graduated males get swooped up by employers very quickly, because there is a 'demand' for male nurses.
I don't doubt you but as a male RN that has not been my experience.
I don't doubt you but as a male RN that has not been my experience.
I am confused, because from reading previous posts of yours, it sounds as though you have been steadily employed as a nurse over a good number of years, in various geographic locations. You also mentioned the critical care program you participated in, and that you were chosen for employment as RRT. Do you consider you faced more difficulties in being hired than female nurses with similar qualifications and experience?
I don't doubt you but as a male RN that has not been my experience.
Sorry to hear that. From what I've heard, my former classmates who are male have all been swooped up by the local hospitals very quickly. One even got a very desireable spot in a near by nurse residency program. Come to the Midwest. We will greet you with open arms! :)
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Sorry to hear that. From what I've heard, my former classmates who are male have all been swooped up by the local hospitals very quickly. One even got a very desireable spot in a near by nurse residency program. Come to the Midwest. We will greet you with open arms! :)
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I am confused, because from reading previous posts of yours, it sounds as though you have been steadily employed as a nurse over a good number of years, in various geographic locations.
Yes, butI have also been suspended on several occasions and fired from three differentnursing jobs. I am convinced that being a male RN played a part in all of thesuspensions and two out of the three firings (the one time all my fault and Iwould have fired me too).
I was once suspended after a female patient (who was admitted after attemptingto cut her own throat after her boyfriend dumper her) stated that she had been touchedinappropriately by a male staff. I was the only male RN who worked on that unitand I was immediately suspended pending investigation. The investigation didn'tget further than looking at the schedule to determine that the patient and Iwere never in the hospital at the same time, but still it sucked not to get thebenefit of the doubt.
ou also mentioned the critical care program you participated in, and that you were chosen for employment as RRT. Do you consider you faced more difficulties in being hired than female nurses with similar qualifications and experience?
I believe there are jobs I didn't get because I was a male. I have been told to"Go get a job in the man's world" by a nurse manager (not mine thankgoodness). I know that my schedule has often been given second priority overfemale's schedule.
Keep in mind that while NOW there are quite a few male RNs working, that wasn'tthe case not very long ago. There were people in nursing leadership who dislikemen being nurses. Not so much now, but more true in the past in my observation.
Interesting enough I am the only male RRT nurse in my hospital and I happen toknow for certain that there were only 3 applicants that met the criteria setforth for RRT RN and all of us were male. It's not a very indemand job. Very few people would want it.
As for the residency. When I was hired for that they were new and not competitive.They basically hired everyone who applied (then weeded them out in the program)and left several positions unfilled for want of applicants.
Nice. Do you have any job hunt tips or leads? I am a second career ASN RN who graduated a year ago. The only experience I have been able to get is in LTC. There is ONE hospital nurse residency program within an hour's drive, and they have rejected me 3x already.
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Nice. Do you have any job hunt tips or leads? I am a second career ASN RN who graduated a year ago. The only experience I have been able to get is in LTC. There is ONE hospital nurse residency program within an hour's drive, and they have rejected me 3x already.
I might. What state are you in now and is relocating a possibliety?
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Now that I agree with. I do think schools should be held to those academic standards/accreditations, and if one goes to a school that isn't, like a school near me, that only carries accreditation in my state, then go to this school at your own risk.