BSN from 4 year program required

[tokmom]

A friend of mine was recently looking at utilization review positions and ran across this:

BSN from a 4 year program required.

So that means of course that an ADN who chose to advance their education to a BSN, will be excluded, even though they come with years of experience.

There will be no reason for ADN's to advance their education if they do not have any opportunity in other fields.

I'm sure this is money driven. Why else would an employer limit their applicants to 4-year program BSNs who may be new grads with little to no experience?

Thoughts?

[Junebug903, LPN]

I know you were asking smartnurse1982, but I will tell you that anyone can access the number of NCLEX attempts a person has made in my state, on the public nursing website. That's if you know a nurses first and last name and have a general idea about which city/town they live in. If you pass on the first try, it shows. If not, it will permanently show ' closed' and the date.

oh, yikes

[klone, MSN, RN]

I hope you're right... I think these HR people should have more hoops to jump through themselves. There have just been too many times we wondered what HR was thinking when they hired some crazy, rude, unreliable new people.

HR doesn't make the hiring decisions.

[Nola009]

I think it means exactly what it says - 4 year program - late bloomers need not apply. It would be one thing if the requirements were accreditation-specific, such as "BSN acquired from a CCNE accredited program" or a requirement that actually means something in the world of nursing.

Next time I see this ridiculousness in print (or online), I may just call them up and ask them to explain their rationale.

So, it's an ageist and classist move? Sounds like that could be it! What are those of us with less than seamless/perfect lives or "late bloomers" supposed to do? Jump off a cliff?!! If I ever see this mentioned in one of our local advertisements, I will call and ask what the rationale is behind it as well. From my point of view, it looks like sanctified discrimitation.

[PrismRN]

HR doesn't make the hiring decisions.

That's very true, but they are the department that whittles down the original 357 applications to the top 5 or 10 that get passed on to the directors to then pursue. In my place of business, all of my conversations were with a woman I had to "get past" before I was deemed appropriate and forwarded on to the clinical department heads for the actual interviews. That was 8 years ago, but I remember at the time thinking, "who IS this person?" based on the questions she was asking me (which I felt were neither here nor there regarding my capability for the position). Would be nice if companies had nurses in that role, but that's never going to happen.

[Nola009]

HR doesn't make the hiring decisions.

In my area, they are the gatekeepers. You need to get past HR in order to go on to the next stage. So, HR does the preliminary screening and interviewing, and then unit managers make their decisions based on who's left after that.

[RNsRWe, ASN, RN]

I know you were asking smartnurse1982, but I will tell you that anyone can access the number of NCLEX attempts a person has made in my state, on the public nursing website. That's if you know a nurses first and last name and have a general idea about which city/town they live in. If you pass on the first try, it shows. If not, it will permanently show ' closed' and the date.

Interesting. I imagine by "public nursing website" you mean the SBON? If that's so, then it's up to each BON to put it up there. Mine does not. Actually, I don't like how mine lists licenses; since it does not included DOB, I have sometimes had difficulty verifying a license if I have only the name, and it's a common one. Yes, the town is there too, but that doesn't always help.

[PrismRN]

In my area, they are the gatekeepers. You need to get past HR in order to go on to the next stage. So, HR does the preliminary screening and interviewing, and then unit managers make their decisions based on who's left after that.

Isn’t it interesting that one person has the power to change the entire trajectory of your life in the few moments they scan over your resume? That simple yea or nay, as yours was placed in this pile or that pile, has now determined the direction your life will go, who you will meet, what experiences you will have and who you will become over the next however-many years. Scary.

[LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN]

That's very true, but they are the department that whittles down the original 357 applications to the top 5 or 10 that get passed on to the directors to then pursue. In my place of business, all of my conversations were with a woman I had to "get past" before I was deemed appropriate and forwarded on to the clinical department heads for the actual interviews. That was 8 years ago, but I remember at the time thinking, "who IS this person?" based on the questions she was asking me (which I felt were neither here nor there regarding my capability for the position). Would be nice if companies had nurses in that role, but that's never going to happen.

In my area, there are nurses who are fulfilling this role. I am sure it will be a growing trend in the future.

[Nola009]

Isn’t it interesting that one person has the power to change the entire trajectory of your life in the few moments they scan over your resume? That simple yea or nay, as yours was placed in this pile or that pile, has now determined the direction your life will go, who you will meet, what experiences you will have and who you will become over the next however-many years. Scary.

It is scary. One of my friends who who holds a Master's Degree in an Art related field helps her manager weed out applicants at the accounting firm she works for. Said that she goes through so many, and gets so tired, that she looks for little things that stand out in a good way to her. Things that are completely unrelated to experience and education.

[Nola009]

Interesting. I imagine by "public nursing website" you mean the SBON? If that's so, then it's up to each BON to put it up there. Mine does not. Actually, I don't like how mine lists licenses; since it does not included DOB, I have sometimes had difficulty verifying a license if I have only the name, and it's a common one. Yes, the town is there too, but that doesn't always help.

Yes, you are correct. Our SBON website lists names, residing cities, how many attempts were made at the NCLEX, and when the license was originally issued. If you have a name that is unique in any way, the name along with a nurse who lives in a less-populated area, it's really easy to see. It's not difficult to find and narrow down people on our site.

[applesxoranges, BSN, RN]

Ten to one that the person who wrote the ad was a recruiter. If I saw that, I would continue to apply anyway.

One that I have seen is a requirement that the degree is from a CCNE or NLNAC accredited school. A lot of hospitals go through HR first.

[tokmom, BSN, RN]

In my area, there are nurses who are fulfilling this role. I am sure it will be a growing trend in the future.

That would be nice. Resumes in my area, have to get through an electronic weed out, even before they hit HR! Then a real person looks at them, and gives a handful to the manager. It's sad really that nurses, like Prism said, are not given a chance.