We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
If you look at the current vaccine schedule, there's the pneumococcal vaccine, flu vaccine, varicella vaccine, Hepatitis B x 3, Rotovirus... I dont think any of us reading this site right now had these vaccines as a child. I am not anti-vax but I chose not to have my child vaccinated with these because I wasn't vaccinated with these and neither were any of us and we are all fine. The ones I did receive as a child, my child has received.... with the exception of the MMR. The time frame in which the MMR should be given coincides with the developmental time frame when the area of the brain that controls speech is developing, and all three of these viruses effect that area of the brain if you were to become ill with them.... so, what if being vaccinated with 3 neurotoxins all at once at the time when a child's brain is developing causes autism.... why cant these 3 vaccines be given as 3 different shots? The answer is convenience. Merck, the sole manufacturer of the MMR vaccine is being sued for fraudulent reporting of the vaccine's effectiveness. It never was part of mainstream news but here is the Forbes link to the story: Merck Whistleblower Suit A Boon to Vaccine Foes Even As It Stresses Importance of Vaccines - Forbes . If they can lie and change the results of their own studies what else are they capable of lying about? There are many nurses who still dont get a flu shot today because they took care of GB patients who became sick with it after getting their flu shots. I guess they must have poor judgment too.
If you look at the current vaccine schedule, there's the pneumococcal vaccine, flu vaccine, varicella vaccine, Hepatitis B x 3, Rotovirus... I dont think any of us reading this site right now had these vaccines as a child.
The flu is not part of the regular vaccine schedule, and last I heard, the Roto virus vaccine isn't even used anymore. Many of the vaccines available today weren't available when I was a kid, if they were, I'd have received them (chicken pox, for one). Children in 1900 didn't get any of the vaccines I did as a child, and many died as a result. Not sure where you wanted to go with this, but it's really NOT an argument against vaccines.
I am not anti-vax but I chose not to have my child vaccinated with these because I wasn't vaccinated with these and neither were any of us and we are all fine. The ones I did receive as a child, my child has received.... with the exception of the MMR. The time frame in which the MMR should be given coincides with the developmental time frame when the area of the brain that controls speech is developing, and all three of these viruses effect that area of the brain if you were to become ill with them.... so, what if being vaccinated with 3 neurotoxins all at once at the time when a child's brain is developing causes autism.... why cant these 3 vaccines be given as 3 different shots? The answer is convenience. Merck, the sole manufacturer of the MMR vaccine is being sued for fraudulent reporting of the vaccine's effectiveness. It never was part of mainstream news but here is the Forbes link to the story: Merck Whistleblower Suit A Boon to Vaccine Foes Even As It
. If they can lie and change the results of their own studies what else are they capable of lying about? There are many nurses who still dont get a flu shot today because they took care of GB patients who became sick with it after getting their flu shots. I guess they must have poor judgment too.
You claim not to be anti-vax but you sure are using anti-vax logic and "research" for your arguments. You say, "I wasn't vaccinated with these and neither were any of us and we are all fine". Wow, none of these diseases killed you. That must mean they haven't killed anyone else, either!
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The flu is not part of the regular vaccine schedule, and last I heard, the Roto virus vaccine isn't even used anymore.
Yes, the rotavirus vaccine is recommended at 2, 4 and 6 months. There was a previous iteration of the rotavirus vaccine, but it was associated with high rates of intussusception, so it was pulled from the market for several years, and then reintroduced about 5 years ago.
And yes, the influenza vaccine is part of the regular vaccine schedule. It's recommended for all children age 6 months and older.
I do agree that "We didn't do X, Y, and Z as children and we all turned out okay" is a really poor argument. We ("we" being anyone who was born before 1975 or so) weren't put in corificeats as infants/small children, either. Doesn't mean we shouldn't use corificeats.
so, what if being vaccinated with 3 neurotoxins all at once at the time when a child's brain is developing causes autism.
And if I hear anyone else talk about the MMR in the context of autism, I might spork my eyes out. The MMR vaccine does not cause autism!
If you look at the current vaccine schedule, there's the pneumococcal vaccine, flu vaccine, varicella vaccine, Hepatitis B x 3, Rotovirus... I dont think any of us reading this site right now had these vaccines as a child. I am not anti-vax but I chose not to have my child vaccinated with these because I wasn't vaccinated with these and neither were any of us and we are all fine. The ones I did receive as a child, my child has received.... with the exception of the MMR. The time frame in which the MMR should be given coincides with the developmental time frame when the area of the brain that controls speech is developing, and all three of these viruses effect that area of the brain if you were to become ill with them.... so, what if being vaccinated with 3 neurotoxins all at once at the time when a child's brain is developing causes autism.... why cant these 3 vaccines be given as 3 different shots? The answer is convenience. Merck, the sole manufacturer of the MMR vaccine is being sued for fraudulent reporting of the vaccine's effectiveness. It never was part of mainstream news but here is the Forbes link to the story: Merck Whistleblower Suit A Boon to Vaccine Foes Even As It Stresses Importance of Vaccines - Forbes . If they can lie and change the results of their own studies what else are they capable of lying about? There are many nurses who still dont get a flu shot today because they took care of GB patients who became sick with it after getting their flu shots. I guess they must have poor judgment too.
You realize that the evidence refuting the assertion that speech delay/autism is caused by the MMR vaccine is demonstrated over and over and over again in a myriad of large population studies right? They don't tell you that in Mercola.com but pretty anyone who has any knowledge of science knows this.
Who exactly is Uncle Sam? Is it Obama, Boehner, Reid, Gingrich, the Congress, the Stonecutters, the Masons, a different secret cabal whose name cannot be mentioned or what? Your statements do sound paranoid.
If you look at the current vaccine schedule, there's the pneumococcal vaccine, flu vaccine, varicella vaccine, Hepatitis B x 3, Rotovirus... I dont think any of us reading this site right now had these vaccines as a child. I am not anti-vax but I chose not to have my child vaccinated with these because I wasn't vaccinated with these and neither were any of us and we are all fine. The ones I did receive as a child, my child has received.... with the exception of the MMR. The time frame in which the MMR should be given coincides with the developmental time frame when the area of the brain that controls speech is developing, and all three of these viruses effect that area of the brain if you were to become ill with them.... so, what if being vaccinated with 3 neurotoxins all at once at the time when a child's brain is developing causes autism.... why cant these 3 vaccines be given as 3 different shots? The answer is convenience. Merck, the sole manufacturer of the MMR vaccine is being sued for fraudulent reporting of the vaccine's effectiveness. It never was part of mainstream news but here is the Forbes link to the story: Merck Whistleblower Suit A Boon to Vaccine Foes Even As It Stresses Importance of Vaccines - Forbes . If they can lie and change the results of their own studies what else are they capable of lying about? There are many nurses who still dont get a flu shot today because they took care of GB patients who became sick with it after getting their flu shots. I guess they must have poor judgment too.
I gather by your user name you want to be a nurse anesthetist.
I truly do not mean the following as a personal attack, but in the interest of being concise, I will be blunt
I hope that if you continue to strive to enter the highly skilled specialty of CRNA, you will learn how the scientific process works, and what phrases such as evidence based and peer reviewed mean
It is evident by your posting (simply by the fact that you referred to the MMR as a neurtoxin and the fact that you are perpetrating the link between it and autism) that you are not currently aware of how to research for reputable science based studies, and therefore may be confused about the basics of the scientific process
I would NOT want a CRNA who is so ignorant of the basic principles of research, stats,and science
Yes, the rotavirus vaccine is recommended at 2, 4 and 6 months. There was a previous iteration of the rotavirus vaccine, but it was associated with high rates of intussusception, so it was pulled from the market for several years, and then reintroduced about 5 years ago.
And yes, the influenza vaccine is part of the regular vaccine schedule. It's recommended for all children age 6 months and older.
They might be "recommended" but last I checked, it was not on the list of required vaccines that a parent must take a personal exception in order to get their children into school without it. Same with Roto (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
Ah, I see what you're getting at. I do think Rotavirus is part of the "required" vaccine schedule. Since I've taken exemptions for all of my kids, the "required" lines are very blurred to me. But you're right, parents do not need paperwork filled out in order to exempt their children from getting the flu shot.
klone I've read your posts for many years and we are almost always in agreement.
So to in this thread.... except... I cannot figure out where you are coming from on this "overhwelming baby's immune system" tripe.
Do you have any evidence? Or is it like that that 15 year old AI article you posted that made an off hand comment about ("no evidence that there is a problem, but no conclusive evidence that there is not a problem" in the discussion section, as if you could prove a negative.
mariebailey made some great posts on this subject. I 'd love to see your response.
On an editorial note, you did say that you were simply being selfish "thinking of your child first" and not thinking of the greater good... at least you are honest... but I am personally hoping that CO will change its exemption law to be stricter because CO has the worst to second worst vaccination rates in the entire country (the Sudan is doing better than Colorado) because of a combination of that thinking with very relaxed exemption laws (oh... and Boulder).
Delaying vaccinations by 2, 4, 10, 12 years creates a massive succeptible population pool.
Colorado's MMR rate is so low that if a Measles outbreak gets going, it will become ENDEMIC in Colorado without truly radical "rights infringing" public health emergency measures. USA eliminated Measles as an Endemic disease over 15 years ago... Colorado can have a little race with Oregon about reintroducing this endangered species to the natural landscape...
Frankly, I like Mississippi's "no exceptions except medical exceptions" law. The US Supreme Court is already on board.
If they can lie and change the results of their own studies what else are they capable of lying about? There are many nurses who still dont get a flu shot today because they took care of GB patients who became sick with it after getting their flu shots. I guess they must have poor judgment too.
Do you realize that the original study which linked the MMR with autism was completely discredited because, among other things, the study author was found to have committed several serious ethical breaches? That the study only involved 12 subjects? That further studies have completely debunked his conclusions?
Furthermore, do you know that research has shown that one is more likely to get Guillain-Barre syndrome after having influenza or a similar influenza-like disease than from the flu vaccine?
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If you look at the current vaccine schedule, there's the pneumococcal vaccine, flu vaccine, varicella vaccine, Hepatitis B x 3, Rotovirus... I dont think any of us reading this site right now had these vaccines as a child. I am not anti-vax but I chose not to have my child vaccinated with these because I wasn't vaccinated with these and neither were any of us and we are all fine. The ones I did receive as a child, my child has received.... with the exception of the MMR. The time frame in which the MMR should be given coincides with the developmental time frame when the area of the brain that controls speech is developing, and all three of these viruses effect that area of the brain if you were to become ill with them.... so, what if being vaccinated with 3 neurotoxins all at once at the time when a child's brain is developing causes autism.... why cant these 3 vaccines be given as 3 different shots? The answer is convenience. Merck, the sole manufacturer of the MMR vaccine is being sued for fraudulent reporting of the vaccine's effectiveness. It never was part of mainstream news but here is the Forbes link to the story: Merck Whistleblower Suit A Boon to Vaccine Foes Even As It Stresses Importance of Vaccines - Forbes . If they can lie and change the results of their own studies what else are they capable of lying about? There are many nurses who still dont get a flu shot today because they took care of GB patients who became sick with it after getting their flu shots. I guess they must have poor judgment too.