Anti-vax nurses? Are you serious?

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We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.

I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?

As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.

I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?

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Obviously I don't believe that is the purpose of vaccines. I am not an idiot. However it has been the case that vaccines and health care have slowed the rate of population growth in some areas. When parents feel confident that most or all of their children will survive to adulthood they tend to have fewer of them.

Its similar to the way that one of the most effective ways of cutting the birth rate is to provide women and girls with education and opportunities.

I believe that is what Bill Gates was talking about.

Are you saying this is a bad thing? Because I see this as only a good thing

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Are you saying this is a bad thing? Because I see this as only a good thing

More self determination is good, yes. But why is is that so many people assume that hang fewer children always equals good? Have you looked at some demographic studies anytime recently? Several developed countries are facing severe population aging and will have depopulation crises in the next few decades. It's already started in Russia, and none of it will be pretty.

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Walk me through what some of the negative effects of "depopulation" would be.

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I will get to that klone, but it may be a bit as I have school today.

In the meantime, here's an awesome blog post about 9 truths anti-vaxers should admit to:

Grounded Parents | 9 things I wish the anti-vaccine parents would admit

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More self determination is good, yes. But why is is that so many people assume that hang fewer children always equals good? Have you looked at some demographic studies anytime recently? Several developed countries are facing severe population aging and will have depopulation crises in the next few decades. It's already started in Russia, and none of it will be pretty.

Never hang children. It's just not a nice thing to do, even in the name of population control.

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Walk me through what some of the negative effects of "depopulation" would be.

Here's an article from Japan Times. Japan is also already experiencing the beginning stages of depopulation and it's only going to get worse. Japan's depopulation time bomb | The Japan Times

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Here's an article from Japan Times. Japan is also already experiencing the beginning stages of depopulation and it's only going to get worse. Japan's depopulation time bomb | The Japan Times

Yes mu husband lived in Japan and I am well aware of this issue

But this is soley due to people who are choosing not to have kids

There is nothing good about having extra kids simply because you expect some of them to die young

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"Extra kids." The language of property and commoditization surrounding human lives is really disturbing.

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"Extra kids." The language of property and commoditization surrounding human lives is really disturbing.

I wonder how your delicate sensibilities are affected by those who choose not to vaccinate even though it can kill others?

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Even if you are 100% correct in your kids' sexual maturity, which itself is a risk. The risk of developing serious complications or death from measles/mumps in childhood remains.

So what's the purpose in delaying vaccination? All that does is reduce the vaccine's benefit while maintaining the same risk (or perhaps increasing it).

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I'm confused by this too. I guess the risks of the vaccines are more acceptable if your child is going to give you a brand new grandbaby? I guess the grand baby (that doesn't exist) is more important than protecting the child in the first place?? Mind:boggled.

Don't get me wrong, I want to be a grandma too. That's why my boys were immunized on time. I don't have to worry about sterility secondary to childhood measles. :p

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I wonder how your delicate sensibilities are affected by those who choose not to vaccinate even though it can kill others?

Why don't you read my previous postings on this thread, which is not all that long, and find out that I'm 100% pro-vaccination.

I'm confused by this too. I guess the risks of the vaccines are more acceptable if your child is going to give you a brand new grandbaby? I guess the grand baby (that doesn't exist) is more important than protecting the child in the first place?? Mind:boggled.

Don't get me wrong, I want to be a grandma too. That's why my boys were immunized on time. I don't have to worry about sterility secondary to childhood measles. :p

That's why that clip posted earlier is so funny to me:

"And if little Timmy is lucky enough to get the mumps, why, that's practically a free vasectomy!"

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