We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
That is exactly the danger in correlation compared to causation.
I bet I can graph the increase in AI diseases compared with the increased use of the Internet, increased yoga, increased use of television, increased outsourcing of jobs to India, increased membership of allnurses.com, etc and have a similar correlation.
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Wait, are you implying that Whole Foods is in a conspiracy with big pharma and has a secret agenda?
They might not be under the CDC, but they probably have a Central Bank and are run by billionaires who consider the mass of people on earth to be useless except as worker bees.
Your username... is... KOOKY... very appropriate.
I wonder how many of the vaccine conspiracy theorists also believe that 9-11 was a Jewish plot, that Chemtrails are a real plot to sterilize the world:
Oh... and lets not forget... the most heinous of all plots: FLOURIDATION OF DRINKING IS A MONSTROUS INTERNATIONAL COMMUNIST PLOT TO SAP AND IMPURIFY OUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!
They might not be under the CDC, but they probably have a Central Bank and are run by billionaires who consider the mass of people on earth to be useless except as worker bees.
I hope people will look at some alternative viewpoints, but I kind of doubt that will happen. Young people especially today are so sure about evolution and everything else the authorities say. It is sad and it is scary.
I guess it's predicted, though.
JBudd, Canoehead, where are you & some others around AN who don't swallow things whole, who examine and exercise skepticism?
What the....believe evolution....not examining.....
This is the virtual equivalent of sputtering
Examining things through the lens of SCIENCE is called good nursing practice
If you are going to immunize your kids at 12-14 years of age then why not vaccinate them at the appropriate time and gain more benefit for the same risk? It makes no sense.
That and most realistic parents would admit they are pretty bad at diagnosing at what age their kids will be sexually active let alone a year or more prior to them being sexually active.
I don't think it's a matter of hating autistic kids.
I heartily disagree. Anti-vaxxers treat the possibility of autism as less preferable than death, disfigurement, and sterility from preventable disease.
If you have not checked out Alex Jones' Infowars.com or prisonplanet.com, you can learn more there about vaccines, chem trails, creationism vs. evolution (which is still not proven, which is still a theory), and other news of our day from a refreshing, non MSM viewpoint. Keep an open mind, don't laugh too much at other people. They could turn out to be right.
Holy Mother of God.....I am a raging right-winger and even I know Alex Jones is a complete nutcase without a shred of credibility.
Because the flu vaccine has such a volatile and sketchy history regarding its efficacy during any given year, I get that it doesn't get a lot of respect. I generally don't engage in any flu shot discussions, though I do think if a HCW is averse to taking the shot in the face of employer regulation, they should shut up and wear the mask as instructed or quit.
But as to vaccines which prevent such diseases as Measles, mumps, rubella, polio, etc., which have been studied for decades and decades, with reams of research done by experts ALL OVER THE WORLD, it just boggles the mind that anti-vaxxers, particularly those who are HCW, would prefer to see these diseases re-emerge rather than support and participate in vaccination to prevent them entirely.
Can anyone remember the iron lungs of the past? Good grief, we are supposed to build on our knowledge, not go backwards.
Actually... all those "other things" you said are EXACTLY what Jenny McCarthy has been saying in addition to the autism BS. Almost all of it is couched in ignorance based fear and highly emotional luddism.
Maybe you didn't get my point, which was that people questioning vaccines were questioning long before Jenny McCarthy started shouting from the rooftops. And they're not following McCarthy orders. My point is that there is a ridiculous misconception that she started the non-vaccinating and delayed vaccinating movement.
Could someone who believes the purpose of vaccines is some nefarious population control scheme please, please explain how it's supposed to work? Millions of deaths have been prevented, the "population control" plan seems to be seriously flawed..
They might not be under the CDC, but they probably have a Central Bank and are run by billionaires who consider the mass of people on earth to be useless except as worker bees.
I do find the idea of the Central Bank being secretly in charge of healthcare policy rather (extremely) far-fetched. But lets pretend for a moment that this is true and that some secret cabal of billionaires control the Central Bank.
What is their objective? A person can only become a billionaire because there is an abundance of worker bees. Why would they wish to decimate the "worker bee" population? I don't know how billionaires feel and think about workers bees, but they certainly need them in order to maintain their status as the über-wealthy.
If the worker bee population was drastically reduced and the world was mostly inhabited by billionaires, the poor billionaires would be forced to ask their buddies at the various Central Banks to print them some money.. Inflation... And the formerly so powerful billionaire is reduced to a mere millionaire.. or worse...
Not only is the alleged vaccine "population control" plan a failure, but the purpose of one (if it actually had existed), is counter-productive.
I hope people will look at some alternative viewpoints, but I kind of doubt that will happen. Young people especially today are so sure about evolution and everything else the authorities say. It is sad and it is scary.
creationism vs. evolution (which is still not proven, which is still a theory)
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I don't think that you fully understand the definition of the scientific meaning of the word theory. When scientists use the word theory as in "theory of evolution", they are not expressing reservations of its' truth. (By the way, it is scientists who have presented the theory of evolution, not "the authorities").
In everyday usage "theory" will often be used to describe speculation or a hunch. That's not how the word is used by scientists. To a scientist a theory is a explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. No amount of validation will ever change a theory into law. Fossils and large amounts of other evidence provides clear, unambiguous and compelling indirect evidence that organisms have evolved through time.
chem trails
Never mind.
If you have not checked out Alex Jones' Infowars.com or prisonplanet.com, you can learn more there about vaccines, chem trails, creationism vs. evolution (which is still not proven, which is still a theory), and other news of our day from a refreshing, non MSM viewpoint. Keep an open mind, don't laugh too much at other people. They could turn out to be right.
I've actually have checked out the two sites you mention on several occasions, they have previously been referenced as "sources" by other vaccine opposers. I can't really say this in a polite way. I think the content is completely loopy. It's blatantly and painfully unscientific and I don't think that a healthcare professional searching for information about vaccines on these sites, can be referred to as "keeping an open mind". We should all know better than to buy into the outlandish "information" presented there. They are (ill-informed and often paranoid) opinions, not scientific research.
I don't as much laugh at Alex Jones' Infowars as I'm saddened by the fact that so many people seem to believe what's written there. I find it deeply troubling that some healthcare professionals are included in this group. If the percentage of children who receive for example the MMR immunization vaccine drops, we will see tragic consequences.
If you have not checked out Alex Jones' Infowars.com or prisonplanet.com, you can learn more there about vaccines, chem trails, creationism vs. evolution (which is still not proven, which is still a theory), and other news of our day from a refreshing, non MSM viewpoint. Keep an open mind, don't laugh too much at other people. They could turn out to be right.
Conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones know nothing about vaccines and cannot be relied upon to provide reliable information on the subject. I find that most people who argue against vaccines on allnurses.com post links to websites that are not credible at all. If people would take the time to research their source of information, a more intelligent discussion could take place.
emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B
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Wait, are you implying that Whole Foods is in a conspiracy with big pharma and has a secret agenda?