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Tweety, BSN, RN · Apr 28

Beerman said:

So, how does this all equate to "ethnic cleansing, pure and simple"?

No and I think that's left wing fear stroking rhetoric.

They wouldn't do something so openly plain and simple.

It is interesting they decided on a right wing European word rather than keep using "mass deportation of illegal immigrants". Meh....okay.

Miller was outed as a White Nationalist, so I can understand concerns. Also Trump has offered white South Africans an easy path to the US while stroking ideas of deportation of citizens, so again I understand concerns that there's some undercurrent white ethnocentrism (if that's the right word) along with the "we're under invasion by criminals" that we need to stop.

Beerman, BSN · Apr 28

Tweety said:

No and I think that's left wing fear stroking rhetoric.

They wouldn't do something so openly plain and simple.

It is interesting they decided on a right wing European word rather than keep using "mass deportation of illegals". Meh....okay.

Miller was outed as a White Nationalist, so I can understand concerns. Also Trump has offered white South Africans an easy path to the US while stroking ideas of deportation of citizens, so again I understand concerns that there's some undercurrent of ridding the country of violent criminals and that we are attack at the border, to a bit of white enthocentlrism.

Stroking ideas of deporting citizens? Where in the world are you getting this from?

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Apr 29

Beerman said:

Stroking ideas of deporting citizens? Where in the world are you getting this from?

Hard to keep up with the news from Trump Admin:, discussed on legacy media I watched over past 2 weeks

4/6/25 PBS

WATCH: Trump 'simply floated' idea of deporting U.S. citizens, White House's Leavitt says

4/10/25 Newsweek

White House Confirms Trump Is Exploring Ways To 'Deport' U.S. Citizens

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White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Tuesday that President Donald Trump is exploring legal pathways to "deport" U.S. citizens to El Salvador, where the administration has already arranged to house deported immigrants in a prison known for its human rights abuses. (Watch the video, above.)

4/11/25:

Supreme Court Justices Address Donald Trump's Idea of Deporting US Citizens
4/6/25:

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Three U.S. Supreme Court Justices have cautioned the Trump administration against attempting to deport people, including U.S. citizens, without the courts weighing in.

The message was contained in the Supreme Court's ruling on Thursday that the government must facilitate the return to the United States of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man mistakenly taken to El Salvador.

Government lawyers had argued U.S. courts could not take action once a deportee crossed an international border.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Tuesday also said President Donald Trump had floated the idea of deporting U.S. citizens with criminal records "if there is a legal pathway."

..."The Government's argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene," wrote Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson in a statement released with the Abrego Garcia ruling. "That view refutes itself."

NBC News 04/14/25

'Obviously illegal’: Experts pan Trump's plan to deport 'homegrown criminals'

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Trump has suggested that "homegrown" criminals who have been convicted of certain crimes should be deported, but the idea raises significant legal questions.

heron, ASN, RN · Apr 29

Tweety said:

No and I think that's left wing fear stroking rhetoric.

They wouldn't do something so openly plain and simple.

It is interesting they decided on a right wing European word rather than keep using "mass deportation of illegal immigrants". Meh....okay.

Miller was outed as a White Nationalist, so I can understand concerns. Also Trump has offered white South Africans an easy path to the US while stroking ideas of deportation of citizens, so again I understand concerns that there's some undercurrent white ethnocentrism (if that's the right word) along with the "we're under invasion by criminals" that we need to stop.

Re "fear-stoking rhetoric" - just think of me as AN's very own canary. It's what radical thought is for, sociologically speaking. I very much hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

Who's the "they" using a "right wing European word"? Me? Don't let it come as a shock to you, but white supremacists actually are right wing Europeans. And I use it because it's their own term and includes a whole lot more than mass deportation of "illegals".

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Apr 29

Awaiting Canada's election results; wonder how large Trumps vote will be, if any.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Apr 29

Thought I heard Trump speak on Air Force One last week saying he didn't listen to polls? Today, pollsters should be investigated for "election fraud" ??

HAH!

Beerman, BSN · Apr 29

NRSKarenRN said:

Hard to keep up with the news from Trump Admin:, discussed on legacy media I watched over past 2 weeks

4/6/25 PBS

WATCH: Trump 'simply floated' idea of deporting U.S. citizens, White House's Leavitt says

4/10/25 Newsweek

White House Confirms Trump Is Exploring Ways To 'Deport' U.S. Citizens

4/11/25:

Supreme Court Justices Address Donald Trump's Idea of Deporting US Citizens
4/6/25:

NBC News 04/14/25

'Obviously illegal’: Experts pan Trump's plan to deport 'homegrown criminals'

I'm aware of all that. The @Tweety post I replied to was missing quite a bit of context. I didn't realize he was speaking of the same thing.

Show of hands....of all us US citizens who are not incarcerated, who has a fear of being deported?

nursej22, MSN, RN · Apr 29

Yeah, yeah, I know, I will be accused of nitpicking here, but I think language needs to be meaningful. I've heard a lot of words thrown around in media (legacy, network, social) and I wish they would use correct terms.

Deportation refers to the removal of an immigrant from the country.

Refoulment is the return of a refugee or asylee to a country where their life may be threatened.

Forced removal of a citizen would be exiling.

Human trafficking is the act of recruiting, transporting, transferring, harboring, or receiving individuals through force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of exploitation.

In my opinion, when the president talks about sending the "home-growns" to the prison in El Salvador (SECOT), that is exiling. Also cruel and unusual punishment, which is prohibited by the 8th Amendment.

Sending immigrants to SECOT appears to be human trafficking.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Apr 29

NRSKarenRN said:

Awaiting Canada's election results; wonder how large Trumps vote will be, if any.

The liberal candidate won and we can thank Trump. Clearly Canada were not happy with the liberals when Trudeau was ousted. That all changed with the 51st State talk and tariffs and they moved away from the "Trumpy" candidate (not my word but something I heard on a podcast.

The podcast featured a Canadian today (who has an American father) and they are really mourning the loss of the relationship because they have a deep seated fondness of Americans. There's a new kind of Canadia patriotism that they haven't seen before and it's of no benefit to the US to have harmed this relationship.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Apr 29

heron said:

Re "fear-stoking rhetoric" - just think of me as AN's very own canary. It's what radical thought is for, sociologically speaking. I very much hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

Who's the "they" using a "right wing European word"? Me? Don't let it come as a shock to you, but white supremacists actually are right wing Europeans. And I use it because it's their own term and includes a whole lot more than mass deportation of "illegals".

My head isn't completely in the sound and hear the canary in the coal mine. Trust me, I'm concerned (and expressed that in my post) and I do hope that what I consider rhetoric such as "ethnic cleansing" isn't going to happen.

Your last paragraph won't be addressed by me because it doesn't make a lot of sense give the post you are quoting.

Beerman, BSN · Apr 29

nursej22 said:

Human trafficking is the act of recruiting, transporting, transferring, harboring, or receiving individuals through force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of exploitation.

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Sending immigrants to SECOT appears to be human trafficking.

How are the illegal immigrants bring exploited?

nursej22, MSN, RN · Apr 29

Beerman said:

How are the illegal immigrants bring exploited?

By being displayed by Bukele and US officials in that video made on their arrival, and then used for photo ops for DHS "Barbie" and other US officials. And by essentially being sold to Bukele.