OK this is funny because every Magnet hospital I go to someone who doesn't work in HR or is NOT a hiring Manager just has to say they don't hire Associate Degree nurses. I have been asked to be hired at some other Magnet hospitals. Reasons like this, bullying, bad staffing, etc. have made me just complete my assignment and go to the next one. I started liking working where I am now, at a Magnet hospital, probably one of the ones who started the trend. It came up as a discussion because my contract was extended after only two weeks of starting. Then a couple of nurses who were overhearing the conversation said I would never get hired due to my lame degree status. Le sigh...
Some of the ASNs themselves. Just for the record. I am a 8 year experienced ASN with great references so it isn't like I am new at this kind of thing.
It just doesn't happen there, I have seen nurses do it on here to others. It is harder to get in I guess, but when you have experience it isn't so hard. At least for me. I am not sure about a New Grads, but hey what do I know. Maybe in the universe there is a New Grad ASN out there who did get hired with persistence at these Magnet hospitals! Especially, if they are enrolled or attending a BSN program.
Listen unless if you are not a hiring person don't say this. Why? I just don't understand it. Does it make you feel better?
If someone has an Associate's Degree gets hire in a Magnet hospital, is willing to upgrade their education status, what they heck is it to you?
Just a rant I guess. Hopefully, this will be the last stop so I can continue on with my education. But, I won't ever be like, "They don't hire your kind here."
May 7, '13
Obviously you didn't read anything I typed.
They are SAYING HOSPITALS DON'T HIRE ASNs right now at this moment in 2013. As a matter of fact I have been getting these comments for the past 2 years now, so... No where did I ask in the topic "what Magnet Status is, was, or what it is implementing" thank you for concluding that I am implying that people are in error or they are doing it for their personal gain. Which in fact they are because it obviously isn't 2020, but when it is, and when these Magnet hospitals stop hiring ASNs they can certainly start stating so. But, I guess they won't because maybe their won't be any ASNs in sight. I obviously don't need Google and I think there are better resources then you posted for information for nurses about what Magnet status is.
Thanks for your smart remarks, right back at ya!
Again... my question is why say it unless you are a hiring manager or work in HR?
Last edit by dance4life on May 7, '13
May 7, '13
Quote from Altra
No, it is not yet 2020. But did you consider that a hospital may be pursuing Magnet status before then, or that if they already are Magnet, they're probably motivated to maintain that accreditation? It is only logical that if this is a hospital's goal, then hiring of non-BSNs will be limited at best.
No I don't consider it because I live in the now.
These are already Magnet Hospitals, please read the topic. I have been asked to work at three Magnet hospitals. Three... because it isn't 2020. Two I have declined. Even though they are Magnet does not mean they are the best to work at. Actually terrible IMO. One I am considering, because I really like my contract here. Why have I been considered? I am not a Nobel Peace Prize winner or something. If someone is not a hiring manager or works in HR they should just zip it I guess. You just don't know, you just don't. So if you are a Staff Nurse stop telling people they can't work somewhere.
There are also other ASN that work there too as permanent staff or have been hired as ASN. While looking through job boards I noticed that some say you can have an ASN with experience, BSN preferred, etc. Pres is the only one that doesn't let you in online, but if you get in through travel, agency, or through someone you know it happens. Just saying... Or, even if you are in a program.
I am not telling people not to get their BSNs do it! Get your MSN even. I see this happening in the Magnets. But, gee wiz don't put others down because they haven't had the chance to. Me myself I have been stuck in Travel. I do find it mean and rude though. IMO
Last edit by dance4life on May 7, '13
May 8, '13
Quote from HouTx
Sounds like the OP is working as a traveler or agency. In my experience, most travelers are really top-notch, so there's no wonder that they love her!!! BUT (big BUT), travelers are contract workers, not employees so they don't count in the 80:20 RN ratio. Crackerjack nurses, especially those with specialty skills, will always be in high demand without regard to their educational credentials.
I hate the 'great divide' that tends to erupt anytime AD vs BS rears it's ugly head. But the fact is that there is a difference. Large scale studies in the US have provided clear evidence that acute care patient outcomes are significantly improved with higher levels of BSN staff. The 2020 recommendation actually originated with the IOM - based upon these findings. (google that)
As far as I know, the "evidence" that acute care patient outcomes are significantly improved with higher levels of BSN staff is highly debatable. So debatable in fact, that a nurse posted on AN a while back that he/she was part of a panel for his/her state in regard to deciding whether a BSN should be required for entry in to practice: The panel reviewed one particular much quoted study and rejected the conclusions for reasons the nurse specified. I do not know of large scale quantitative studies that have demonstrated the superiority of patient outcomes for BSN prepared nurses over ADN prepared nurses. I do not consider subjective outcome measures such as self-reported patient satisfaction questionnaires as providing clear evidence of significantly improved patients outcomes for higher levels of BSN prepared nurses versus ADN prepared nurses. I am open to reading a study that clearly demonstrates quantitatively what you are asserting. I wish to mention that I have a BSN, obtained after completing my RN through an ADN program.
Last edit by Susie2310 on May 8, '13