Nurses all come from DYSFUNCTIONAL backgrounds?? - page 2

Ok I hope I get some responses on this.. I work in a local hospital and I work on a telemetry floor. Its a high stress floor with lots of action always going on. We can't keep a manager. Its just... Read More

  1. by   gypsyatheart
    Well I tell you, jodyangel, I hope you and your fellow staff members were all over her for those comments. Extremely inappropriate. Not constructive in the least.
    I know it's easy to say "get another job", but really, why would anybody put up w/this type of environment? Sometimes you feel you have no choice to work where you do, for whatever reasons.
    This is why nurses leave the bedside....not just 'cause of that dingbat manager, but the whole environment....the "culture" of nursing, lack of support from administration as well as their continued exploitation of nurses.
    Last edit by gypsyatheart on Oct 17, '05
  2. by   boulergirl
    OH, but she is a nurse. Said she started her career out as an "enema" girl.
    An "enema" girl?? Wow, she really has a high opinion of nurse's aides, doesn't she? Wonder what articles she could pull out of her butt for US. :lol_hitti :smackingf
  3. by   DusktilDawn
    Quote from jodyangel
    Ok I hope I get some responses on this..
    I work in a local hospital and I work on a telemetry floor. Its a high stress floor with lots of action always going on. We can't keep a manager. Its just very stressful. So our company ( for profit hospital - chs) has hired this woman to manage our floor til the end of the year. She called us all into a meeting the other day and this is what she said...

    " Do you realize that 70% of nurses come from dysfunctional backgrounds and 30% come from either sexually or physically abused backgrounds". Its no wonder "we" have trouble doing our jobs properly....."
    Now first off..I don't know what that has to do with us. She has a floor full of Very competant nurses..but they're overwealmed. We only occasionally have nurses aides to help. They've all quit or gone to night shift to ease their stress. So the speach went on to say that weither or Not we had NA's we are to know that the responsiblity of the care of the patient falls on us. We have to make sure the water is passed, the rooms are tidyed, the bath and bed is done and all our nursing dutys fullfilled as well.

    Now, I don't know about you...but thats a tall order. I have 6 patients to care for. I do my best to help them with bathing and the other things, but when push comes to shove, sometimes things have to be prioritized. I have to make passing my meds (properly and timely), signing off my charts orders, calling the MD's and fullfilling the treatments ect MY priority. Sometimes, baths have to be let go til the next day. This facility doesnt want to hire any more NA's. They don't see their role as very important obviously. BUT they do stress patient satisfaction as number one!!! I have sat in meetings and told them how to keep the ratings high..but they only answer with "we're looking at the situation and will come to a solution soon.." Bull crap!!! They don't want to hire any aides..thats how we see it.

    So the other day a nurse..a very competant nurse was called into the office the other day and told not to come back to work..because a patient had complained to the administration that her pain medication was not given to her in a timely manner. This was a direct admit, meaning they came from a doctors office with NO orders at all. The nurse had to track down the MD and get orders for pain. This took one hour to accomplish. SOUNDS RESONABLE TO ME, HOW ABOUT YOU NURSES? She's gone. Period.

    So we are all in a twist over all this. There is no way to do all they want us to do..if all it takes to get fired is a patient complaint. Nurses have no unions..no rights at all. The staff that attended the meeting are all fuming over the "articles" this manager quoted to us. I know for myself, I come from a very stable upbringing..and don't feel I fit into that profile. Most of my fellow classmates said the same thing. So do you think those comments were appropriate? We are going to go to the DON and complain about the situation....because its becoming intolerable.

    Your thoughts???
    I don't think I've ever met anyone who has had a "Leave It To Beaver" childhood. Perhaps you could also apply those demographics to the general population: 70% of the population comes from a dysfunctional childhood. I'd also venture to say that 30% or more of the population had been sexually or physically victimized. And this has what to do with short-staffing or stressful work environment.

    What your manager is doing is failing to address the problem by blaming the staff. The statement was designed in essence to say: Because 70% of nurses come from a dysfunctional background, therefore it's no wonder you have difficulty doing the job. This is a tactic to avoid dealing with the real issues. It is designed to make you and the rest of co-workers question yourselves in regard to how you do your job. DO NOT fall into this.

    Definately complain to the DON and whoever else will listen. Document carefully what is going on. Have everyone file complaints in regards to her statements. Do what it takes to get this moron out of the hospital setting that she has no business being in. All of you need to be on the same page in regards to not tolerating this nonsense.
    So the other day a nurse..a very competant nurse was called into the office the other day and told not to come back to work..because a patient had complained to the administration that her pain medication was not given to her in a timely manner. This was a direct admit, meaning they came from a doctors office with NO orders at all. The nurse had to track down the MD and get orders for pain. This took one hour to accomplish. SOUNDS RESONABLE TO ME, HOW ABOUT YOU NURSES? She's gone. Period.
    I hope this person contacts a higher authority over this, obviously someone should have asked her the circumstances concerning the complaint. A nurse cannot give medication without the appropriate order..PERIOD. Talk about tried and convicted without a trial.
  4. by   DutchgirlRN
    I think that 99.9% of adults come from some kind of dysfunctional background. The level of dysfuntion can be lesser or severe but I believe every one qualifies for some kind of dysfunctional background. To single out a profession like nursing is rediculous.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from stevielynn
    This is a great post.

    Why would anyone put up with a nurse getting fired for not giving pain medication that she didn't have order for???? Why are you all not going to the mat for your co-worker?

    No one is able to take advantage of you without your permission.

    Ask for the journals with the "dysfunctional" articles.

    And who defines "dysfuntional" anyway? No one has a perfect family. No one grows up without having some pain in their lives.

    That is a really stupid thing to say - and no way to motivate anyone.

    steph

    Yours is a good post as well.

    All families have issues. The writing is on the wall. You all are being set up to fail.
  6. by   Thunderwolf
    The question of "dysfunctional" is not the issue. The issue is...how can we as a profession become more functional? We need more active, live role models in our every day work lives to emulate. Sometimes, it simply has to start with us. Each day, when I go to work, I remind myself that I am a nurse and I am a professional. My own behavior and how I carry myself impacts others...including my peers and how they see themselves as professionals. Sometimes, we are graced by an excellent staff member who is able to embody this...a person and a professional that is worthy of our respect...who shows the way, day in and day out. A person like this in everyday life is worth much more than any Nursing Theorist we study about or any Union Rep that is available to mediate our problems. In the spirit of this, it would be nice for folks here to tone down a little towards each other in this discussion. I feel some heat brewing on the thread. Just a little reminder to be respectful on the threads. Keep the discussion going, folks, and on topic.
  7. by   CrunchRN
    This manager is full of sh** and obviously does not have a clue about how to manage. I wish I knew how to help you, but probably the only thing you can do is move on. Good luck.
  8. by   jkaee
    I think that the manager herself is probably feeling extremely pressured (probably from her higher ups) and is grasping and anything and everything to get the unit back on track. While I don't think she found the right answer, I don't think bashing the manager will do anyone any good. I've been a unit manager before, and believe me when I tell you that half the stuff you think they come up with regarding work loads, staffing, new policies, etc. are given to her from TPTB. She may feel just as frustrated as you do.

    That being said, I don't agree with what she did or said. It sounds like a bad situation that's getting worse. It may be time to leave.

    Good luck.
  9. by   Chad_KY_SRNA
    On some level we are all dysfunctional but that has very little to do with patient care.
  10. by   4everpeace
    Very few individuals come from the "leave it to beaver" household. With that said, I believe that those who do come from having more "pain" in their background, can use that pain to strengthen themselves, to become a more caring, assertive and compassionate individual. Some of the best nurses that I have worked with AND have had as my nurse while hospitalized have been those nurses that have experienced difficulties, and have received help for those experiences, and have OVERCOME them. They are better able to "empathize" with a patient and have a fierce determination to make things better for the patient in any way they can.
  11. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from stevielynn
    This is a great post.

    Why would anyone put up with a nurse getting fired for not giving pain medication that she didn't have order for???? Why are you all not going to the mat for your co-worker?

    No one is able to take advantage of you without your permission.

    Ask for the journals with the "dysfunctional" articles.

    And who defines "dysfuntional" anyway? No one has a perfect family. No one grows up without having some pain in their lives.

    That is a really stupid thing to say - and no way to motivate anyone.

    steph
    Yea, really. I can't think of a single person I know and know of who doesn't have skeletons in their closet or a monkey on their backs.

    I was sexually abused by my sister's boyfriend as a child, but I didn't become a nurse because I was abused.
  12. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from stevielynn
    This is a great post.

    Why would anyone put up with a nurse getting fired for not giving pain medication that she didn't have order for???? Why are you all not going to the mat for your co-worker?

    No one is able to take advantage of you without your permission.

    Ask for the journals with the "dysfunctional" articles.

    And who defines "dysfuntional" anyway? No one has a perfect family. No one grows up without having some pain in their lives.

    That is a really stupid thing to say - and no way to motivate anyone.

    steph

    Amen on all points.
  13. by   Thunderwolf
    Quote from hug4mom
    Very few individuals come from the "leave it to beaver" household. With that said, I believe that those who do come from having more "pain" in their background, can use that pain to strengthen themselves, to become a more caring, assertive and compassionate individual. Some of the best nurses that I have worked with AND have had as my nurse while hospitalized have been those nurses that have experienced difficulties, and have received help for those experiences, and have OVERCOME them. They are better able to "empathize" with a patient and have a fierce determination to make things better for the patient in any way they can.
    Beautiful post.

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