I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
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53 minutes ago, MunoRN said:
I took donwood1's response to mean we were too kind to advocates of homeopathy as a proven treatment, not that it's a proven treatment.
And while I find Malcom Gladwell's explanation of why homeopathy is surprisingly hard to disprove (although it is still disprovable), I don't find the basic premise without merit.
The basic premise is that you can effectively treat a disease with "like for like", using a weakened version of what causes a disease or illness. That's exactly what vaccines are, which is why it's so odd that people who promote homeopathy are commonly also those who oppose vaccines.
OHHHH I misunderstood then. Thank you for clarifying. I still would love to know, truly, how homeopathy will get us out of this mess, if anyone is up to saying so. I don't think "like for like" will do it.
mRNA vaccines also weren’t discovered 9 months ago, they have been researched for decades. Stop with your “I’m not against vaccinations BUT…” BS. You are the most dangerous type of devil’s advocate and you continue to spew it on post after post.
Right? Like we’re not talking to the general public here. We’re talking to nurses who should know better.
OHHHH I misunderstood then. Thank you for clarifying. I still would love to know, truly, how homeopathy will get us out of this mess, if anyone is up to saying so. I don't think "like for like" will do it.
It won’t- homeopathy takes a substance and puts it in water and agitates the water, dilutes it, shakes the dilution, and repeats until all that’s left of the substance are its “vibrations” in the water. At best you get a placebo affect out of the magic water.
I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
This is my first post to this forum, and I agree with you.
It ceases to be a choice when they threaten to take away everything you have including employment anywhere and everywhere, no matter your profession.
I was taught in school to give my patient ALL the information so they could determine the course of action they felt was in their best interest. Once they made their decision it was my job to act as their advocate.
The attitudes I see here regarding fellow nurses who are hesitant is disheartening.
The vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting covid. It does, however, lessen the symptoms allowing the infected to go about their day not realizing they are infected. Couple that with the fact that the vaccinated were told for months they need not mask any longer and it's no wonder we're seeing a resurgence.
The day after FDA approval is was quietly announced that the virus is posed to obtain everything it needs to get around the vaccine.
It feels like we'll be playing whack-a-mole forever.
In the past we have learned that viruses tend to mutate to become more contagious. It makes sense, how else do you remain in circulation?
Viruses seek a symbiotic relationship with their host.
They also become less deadly, as it does no good to be more contagious if you continually kill you host before they can infect others.
These are just my 2cents.
Please don't eviscerate me for expressing an opinion on the matter. If I didn't believe it before, after reading many, many posts on this forum, I do believe it now....
I was taught in school to give my patient ALL the information so they could determine the course of action they felt was in their best interest. Once they made their decision it was my job to act as their advocate.
That is not an accurate summary of the nurse's role and duty.
6 hours ago, lizzie_borden said:
The vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting covid. It does, however, lessen the symptoms allowing the infected to go about their day not realizing they are infected. Couple that with the fact that the vaccinated were told for months they need not mask any longer and it's no wonder we're seeing a resurgence.
Your conclusion about the current situation in a setting of numerous unvaccinated people (with or without documented previous SARS-CoV-2 infection) going about their day without masks or vaccines....and vaccinated people who have participated/are participating in covid-19 mitigation efforts....is that vaccinated people are the cause of the situation and vaccines make things worse? Is that correct?
6 hours ago, lizzie_borden said:
The day after FDA approval is was quietly announced that the virus is posed to obtain everything it needs to get around the vaccine.
What do you mean by quietly announced? You have posted a pre-print report which has not undergone any peer review.
6 hours ago, lizzie_borden said:
Nurses love to consume the flesh of their own.
That one is overplayed. Basic counteracting of misrepresentations of our profession or the current situation with covid is not an example of eviscerating anyone or consuming any flesh. In any case, without any disrespect, I don't think you have chosen very logical conclusions based on what you have written.
What is the "accurate summary of the nurse's role and duty"
6 hours ago, JKL33 said:
Your conclusion about the current situation in a setting of numerous unvaccinated people (with or without documented previous SARS-CoV-2 infection) going about their day without masks or vaccines....and vaccinated people who have participated/are participating in covid-19 mitigation efforts....is that vaccinated people are the cause of the situation and vaccines make things worse? Is that correct?
The vaccine reduces symptoms, no? Are we to believe that someone, who's asymptomatic and unmasked, regardless of vaccine status, is making things better?
The vaccine reduces symptoms, no? Are we to believe that someone, who's asymptomatic and unmasked, regardless of vaccine status, is making things better?
Who here is advocating for that?
23 minutes ago, lizzie_borden said:
Nurses are notorious for eating their young.
No they aren't. Plenty of people have been "eaten" at all types of jobs. Nursing just happens to be the area we are familiar with. I have loads of friends in other occupations that have experienced mistreatment.
An again, disagreeing with your position is in no way, shape or form even close to "eating" anyone.
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
17 hours ago, lizzie_borden said:
I was taught in school to give my patient ALL the information so they could determine the course of action they felt was in their best interest. Once they made their decision it was my job to act as their advocate.
Just don't give your patient misinformation or personal opinion information. You can get fired for that, even if you choose to deny the reality that those types of information are harmful to the public at large, especially when one identifies a credential to add credibility to their ad hoc information.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
On 9/1/2021 at 7:05 PM, grammieRN said:
I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
Wish _I_ had the right to refuse. Refuse to live in a longer and deadlier pandemic. But the freedom hating anti vaxxers have deprived me of MY right to choose. .
Wish I had the right to travel about freely, but that's another freedom the anti vaxxers have gleefully deprived me of.
I very much hope that nobody in my family needs ICU care and dies because the unvaxxed are clogging up the ICUs with their decision to get very sick as has already happened to some people.
Not satisfied with depriving us of our freedom, liberty and body autonomy the anti vaxxers are actually killing us now.
Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
On 9/1/2021 at 5:05 PM, grammieRN said:
I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
In psych when a patient presents as a clear and present danger to themselves or others a process takes place that allows medical professionals to step in and medicate for the safety of all concerned. The high courts have up held vaccine mandates since the 19th century so no you don’t have a choice if you actions endanger others and employers have at right to set conditions of employment as long as they don’t infringe on the rights of protected classes. Still people have the right to refuse just as employers have the right to terminate those who refuse to comply with company policy.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
I got my butt kicked last night by a 34 year old man who had snorted bath salts. He got a B52 in the ED and then transferred to the post surgical ward as overflow. He broke out of his wrist restraints while the nurse was attempting to give him some IV ativan and went berserk on the nurses. They called RRT (me) and the police for help. I got there ahead of the cops and went hands on because he had one of the ward nurses cornered and trying to choke her.
Those nurses are excellent at what they do, but they have almost not experience with ETOH or drug withdrawal patients. He SHOULD have been in the ICU on an Ativan drip. But there was no room because our ICU is clogged with unvaxxed COVID patients.
I had to get two small stitches in my cheek where he punched me and my ribs hurt from getting kicked. Other nurses are injured too. Would have been much worse if the cops hadn't got there when they did.
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OHHHH I misunderstood then. Thank you for clarifying. I still would love to know, truly, how homeopathy will get us out of this mess, if anyone is up to saying so. I don't think "like for like" will do it.