Witchcraft Resurgence

popopopo · Jan 26, 2020

What's wrong with statins?

EngineerPaul · Jan 27, 2020

There are a few answers, and the first one is that Magic should be used but in conjunction with modern medicine. That is because it is a method of using a persons mind to assist in the healing process. However it should never be the only one that is used. It does improve healing over just modern medicine alone.

Prior to modern psychology, Magic served exactly the same purpose in getting people to become mentally well. Also there are some that have actually been made insane using Magic, specifically black magic. That is because it is a way of persuading someone to do something against their own will. This includes the practitioner, and there are more than enough people that have tried evoking imaginary spirits into their mind and become psychotic in the process. That is because all of these spirits are what are referred to as thought forms. Things that people create with their own mind. Dr Carl Jung is one of many good sources on this subject.

Also most of our medicines are derived originally from plant and other sources, but they need to be tested for effectiveness. Digitalis is from Foxglove, opium is from poppies, even the treatment for nerve gas is derived from Belladonna. Aspirin from tree bark. The list is quite extensive, and even originally antibiotics were derived from mold.

Also Dr. Larry Dossey, M.D. (Author of One Mind) and other doctors as well have show this method to be effective. It has been known for sometime that treating the whole person instead of just the medical problems does greatly improve outcome, even it is just positive thinking. Everyone knows that stress makes us sick, but if we think about it if thinking about our health can make us sick it would seem just as reasonable to assume that it should be able to heal us.

Doctors in physics and other fields have shown that statistically ESP and Remote viewing do work. Many times better than just random chance, and best I can figure it has to do with factors in quantum physics such as non-locality, and is time independent. Meaning it is useful for finding things including people, but useless in getting winning lottery numbers.

Another interesting fact is that modern medicine and magic can both be thwarted by negative thoughts. Just as there are some people that think that if a pill will work even if it has nothing in it to help them has been shown to be effective many times.

In conclusion, Magic just as with religion and praying does have a place in helping to heal people, but ignoring modern medicine can very easily lead to death. As such it should be discouraged when people are thinking about ignoring the benefits of modern medicine. It should also be accepted to use prayers and magic to assist in the healing of patients. I have personally helped in bringing back someone close to me that suffered hypoxia as part of a stroke and heart attack. Been a couple months and she is talking now. We have to interact with those that are comatose or semi-comatose to bring them out of it, just hoping for the best is not the most effective solution. As we can start the heart, and many other things. Yet we do not really have a clue to what consciousness really consists of, and we can define it and describe it... Yet not fully understand it or how to completely control it.

What worked for me was tricking the person to where they were thinking about the things that they like, and trying to get them to come and get them if you will. Kind of like teasing a big cat with meat. This is commonly referred to as the non-conventional approach. Have to know what they like, and let them know that you have it and they have to come to you and speak to you otherwise they can't have it. Another thought is possibly something that will make them mad enough to come to you. This is because our subconscious mind is what Magic and Religions work on. This is also called our child mind, and unlike the conscious mind this part of us is always working even when asleep or in a coma. It is a matter of treating them as a child because you love them and want to help them. It is a matter of finding the childhood things that they like, and remembering that when unconscious they may even communicate with you and quite often appear awake when they are not (just as with a sleepwalker). What is not acceptable are things that may scare them or other things that they are afraid of, but strong emotions are quite effective such as their favorite song and other similar things. The better that someone knows the person all the better. It is also a good idea to work with a psychologist as medications may be necessary to get a response. They may even cry, but the most important thing is getting them to open the door to themselves to the world in a way they are not afraid.

EngineerPaul · Jan 27, 2020

Problems with statins is they damage muscles and other tissues in some people, and for men it causes ED... Then that means they can sell you yet another expensive pill.

Also our bodies make cholesterol, and these are not just materials that plug up arteries and veins, but they are the building blocks that our bodies need to make repairs. In addition not all of them are bad when levels are reasonable. As with all medications are we better with it or without it, are the side effects worse than what it is suppose to correct.

I find nothing worse as a patient than when a doctor is basically told what they can and can't prescribe (by medical insurance). Also the choices available as a result many times is not to take the medication as the risks are too high for any of the possible benefits and the doctor is not willing to discuss this with me. Factors such as the black box warnings, requires liver function test before prescribing to patient and monthly or bi-monthly testing of liver function. This to me is unacceptable no matter how much my head is hurting, as there are many alternatives. Also the same applies to antifungals for toenails and similar cosmetic things.

Tacocat, ASN, RN · Jan 27, 2020

22 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
It’s just something I cannot conceptualize. Why would it be odd if an adult has an imaginary friend, but if you call it religion it’s normal?

Why do you need to conceptualize?

What I can't conceptualize is that many adults in this thread have pointed out that your views are narrow and unbecoming of someone who wants to enter this field yet you continue to double down.

Conceptualize this: As long as someone's beliefs are not causing you direct harm, you have no place to give a single ****. Sometimes people find religions they can relate to. Sometimes it's cultural. But either way it's 100% none of your business.

Proselytizing how science is better than individual customs makes you no better than the "old hag" that called you a ***.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 27, 2020

20 hours ago, mystcnurse said:
Probably medicine and alternative medicine should not be lumped into boxes, as there are instances where either or both might come into play.

^^^This

When I was having bad neck pain, I did acupuncture, massage, physical therapy and some modern medicine to get better.

I'll paraphrase 86 year old healthy and active MD Dr. Esselstyn and says that people think a vegan whole foods plant based diet to cure/help with coronary artery disease is extreme but will have their chests sliced opened for an open heart surgery and not consider that extreme.

As a nurse, I work with and promote modern medicine, but as a patient I explore all alternatives and perhaps choose a mixture.

I do think there is a lot of quackery out there and with the internet wide open there people can be confused. As educated science minded practitioners we should help people get sift through it but not necessarily discount their choices either. Maybe someone likes to drink ginger juice and doesn't want to take Pepcid. If that works for them, and there's evidence behind the practice, who are we to judge?

allnurses Guide · Jan 27, 2020

21 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
It’s just something I cannot conceptualize. Why would it be odd if an adult has an imaginary friend, but if you call it religion it’s normal?

Stepping in a psych nurse here - I would not find it odd for an adult to have an imaginary friend as long as having that friend did not hinder that person's ability to engage in reality and lead a functional life. To attempt to boil down as belief in God as belief in imaginary friends is ignorant and insulting (I am not religious myself). There are many people who take religion to a level of psychosis such as members of the Westboro Baptist Church, but for many religion offers a source of community, connection and understanding. Religion was man's earliest attempt to understand things which defied rational explanation. It seems backwards I know but lacking a knowledge of engineering and weather patterns early people turned to the mystical to explain things like death, crop failures and other natural disasters. Interestingly enough when the European people began to be exposed to the knowledge of the Orient things we take for granted like handwashing came into play. I don't have time this am to look up all the resources as I have to get to work.

As others have said here it doesn't matter if you can conceptualize another person's belief in order to "Normalize" it in your thinking. You don't have to understand something to accept that other people do. I feel the same way about Algebra but I wouldn't put someone down who understood it.

As for being normal. I find the whole concept of normality to be highly overrated! Since you like to talk about things you daddy taught you I will quote mine, "Normal is safe, predictable and boring and why would anyone want to be that."

Hppy

Hoosier_RN, MSN · Jan 27, 2020

1 hour ago, WhaleTails said:
Why do you need to conceptualize?
What I can't conceptualize is that many adults in this thread have pointed out that your views are narrow and unbecoming of someone who wants to enter this field yet you continue to double down.
Conceptualize this: As long as someone's beliefs are not causing you direct harm, you have no place to give a single ****. Sometimes people find religions they can relate to. Sometimes it's cultural. But either way it's 100% none of your business.
Proselytizing how science is better than individual customs makes you no better than the "old hag" that called you a ***.

I could ❤ you 1000xs for this!

Jory, MSN, APRN, CNM · Jan 27, 2020

On 1/12/2020 at 10:04 PM, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
Why are so many people today shunning real medicine, vaccines etc for hoaxes and gimmicks like essential oils, weight loss powders, etc? Any ideas why so many are turning away from actual medicine?

Essential oils are not gimmicks. Do they do everything people claim? Absolutely not...but there is very clear evidence that many of them work for certain ailments WHEN USED APPROPRIATELY.

I would encourage you to consult with the natural medicine database. I have been able to cut my blood pressure medication in half by using a OTC supplement...all approved by my cardiologist and my BP is better controlled because of it.

If you think prescription meds and hospitals are the end-all treatment of all things? You have a LONG way to go in terms of learning.

Natural medicine is not witchcraft....that, I'm sorry, is an ignorant statement.

But not vaccinating? I feel equates to child abuse.

Tenebrae, BSN, RN · Jan 27, 2020

On 1/26/2020 at 6:01 PM, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
Well if this therapy was that effective we definitely need to do some scientific research and start implementing it.
No, I was just raised to believe in science. I was taught growing up that religion was for the clinically insane. My dad always said “if someone has to be threatened with hell to do the right thing, they are clearly a psychopath”

So do people that pray LITERALLY hear voices? Or do they “feel” something telling them to do the right thing? I mean I have that feeling but I thought that was a conscience?

I just don’t understand.

And you dont have to. Because guess what, its not about you, its about your patient.

I'm an agnostic. And I've lost count of the times patients have asked me to pray with them. I will always offer to get the chaplain for them. Failing that, i can stand with them while they pray.

I dont have to believe in their god to support them in their religous beliefs

HelpfulNatureHopeful · Jan 27, 2020

I have no issue with that. If people want to pray to spirits and such that’s fine. It’s not my job as a physician or a nurse to be their time management coach.

CharleeFoxtrot, BSN, RN · Jan 27, 2020

9 hours ago, WhaleTails said:
Conceptualize this: As long as someone's beliefs are not causing you direct harm, you have no place to give a single ****. Sometimes people find religions they can relate to. Sometimes it's cultural. But either way it's 100% none of your business.

Exactly. That is like standing in line at McDs and complaining you don't like the meal the person in front of you is ordering for themselves.

Horseshoe, BSN, RN · Jan 27, 2020

4 minutes ago, CharleeFoxtrot said:
Exactly. That is like standing in line at McDs and complaining you don't like the meal the person in front of you is ordering for themselves.

And that you just “don’t understand” why the person in front of you ordered that. And insisting that you need to know “why” they did.