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Leader25 has 35 years experience.

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That has always existed,look up Steve McQueen shunning  tx for some unorthodox medicine in a foreign country.Old wives tales still exist  and are passed down to the next generation,only education will help that,maybe.Every day I had to educate someone about their illness or treatment.Newly arrived refugees require even more education,some women still will not bathe during their period,adhere to the cold food,hot food drinks idea,drafts,washing hands only in hot water,refusing soap, hiccups cured by wet red string on forehead. and the list goes on.

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adventure_rn is a BSN and specializes in NICU, PICU.

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31 minutes ago, Leader25 said:

That has always existed,look up Steve McQueen shunning  tx for some unorthodox medicine in a foreign country.

Same with Steve Jobs. He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and decided to treat it with a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies and a psychic. The chief of Sloane Kettering even released a statement saying

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"Jobs's faith in alternative medicine likely cost him his life.... He had the only kind of pancreatic cancer that is treatable and curable.... He essentially committed suicide."

Doesn't matter that he's a billionaire genius, he made some dumb decisions and now he's dead. 

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DaveMHA-RN has 30 years experience and specializes in Behavioral Health.

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14 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

They are probably the most difficult hospital staff to replace, and require the most education and training.

That is true and they generate revenue for a hospital. They also carry the most liability especially in high risk specialities. Perhaps that is why many of them act like prima donnas. With that said, they also cost hospitals money by not starting on time in the OR and causing the OR staff to stay late to complete surgeries, they also cost hospitals money when their patients have PSIs and develop HACs, and returns to the OR, and readmissions within 30 days etc.

 

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GrumpyRN has 38 years experience as a NP and specializes in Emergency Department.

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16 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

Surgeons have not earned their titles? They are probably the most difficult hospital staff to replace, and require the most education and training.

Not to say all staff isn’t important, from the head management of the hospital to the janitorial staff,but the Surgeon is like the the lead singer, and you have your back up vocals, dancers, etc. It takes a whole team but surgeons are definitely the stars of the show. 
 

And no, my daddy supports me. He just suggested that I look into nurse practitioner, he says being an MD is no longer worth it the way medicine is going, but if I choose to go the medical school route he still supports me. 

OK, let's take that one at a time;

"Surgeons have not earned their titles?" - What titles? In US they are called doctor, in UK they are called Mr/Miss/Mrs. 

 

"They are probably the most difficult hospital staff to replace, and require the most education and training." - Anyone can be replaced. You have just denigrated every other specialty. Not all patients require to be cut into and saying that the education of a physician is less than a surgeon is not only wrong it is rude. Surgeons require high skill levels but that is learned by doing. Once had an online discussion with an English doctor about the entrance qualifications for medicine - he stated that only the brightest went into medicine whereas I pointed out that in fact the brightest go into things like physics, mathematics etc.

Actually, you could have just written "They are the most difficult hospital staff," and left it at that.

 

"...the Surgeon is like the the lead singer, and you have your back up vocals, dancers, etc. It takes a whole team but surgeons are definitely the stars of the show." - The only correct bit of that is - It takes a whole team. Surgeons only like to think they are they are the stars and have managed to convince everyone (management, TV, newspapers) that they are. They are employees subject to the same rules and laws as everyone else. They have appalling manners (not all) and some of them have behaviour I would not tolerate from a 5 year old. On a program on TV a few years ago following surgeons one of the theater staff stated that a question they often ask about surgeons is "how old is he today?" Surgeons used to throw things about and throw things at (female) nurses. This stopped when males became more common as the male nurse is as likely to just throw it back.

 

"...he says being an MD is no longer worth it the way medicine is going.- Why? Are you running out of patients? What I am picking up from this ( and I apologize if I am wrong) is that he seems to think that from his point of view you can't cut it as a doctor and he thinks you should go into something he sees as easier.

 

 

 

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Esme12 has 40 years experience as a ASN, BSN, RN and specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

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11 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I'm from the south (Alabama) and never heard it past age 12...only in movies. 🤷‍♀️

It is a regional and family thing to use Mama and Daddy. I was raised in the midwest and we use Daddy as well

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11 hours ago, GrumpyRN said:

OK, let's take that one at a time;

"Surgeons have not earned their titles?" - What titles? In US they are called doctor, in UK they are called Mr/Miss/Mrs. 

 

"They are probably the most difficult hospital staff to replace, and require the most education and training." - Anyone can be replaced. You have just denigrated every other specialty. Not all patients require to be cut into and saying that the education of a physician is less than a surgeon is not only wrong it is rude. Surgeons require high skill levels but that is learned by doing. Once had an online discussion with an English doctor about the entrance qualifications for medicine - he stated that only the brightest went into medicine whereas I pointed out that in fact the brightest go into things like physics, mathematics etc.

Actually, you could have just written "They are the most difficult hospital staff," and left it at that.

 

"...the Surgeon is like the the lead singer, and you have your back up vocals, dancers, etc. It takes a whole team but surgeons are definitely the stars of the show." - The only correct bit of that is - It takes a whole team. Surgeons only like to think they are they are the stars and have managed to convince everyone (management, TV, newspapers) that they are. They are employees subject to the same rules and laws as everyone else. They have appalling manners (not all) and some of them have behaviour I would not tolerate from a 5 year old. On a program on TV a few years ago following surgeons one of the theater staff stated that a question they often ask about surgeons is "how old is he today?" Surgeons used to throw things about and throw things at (female) nurses. This stopped when males became more common as the male nurse is as likely to just throw it back.

 

"...he says being an MD is no longer worth it the way medicine is going.- Why? Are you running out of patients? What I am picking up from this ( and I apologize if I am wrong) is that he seems to think that from his point of view you can't cut it as a doctor and he thinks you should go into something he sees as easier.

 

 

 

No, he told me it’s silly to go to school and rack up all of that debt, and spend almost a decade in school not in the workforce when I can be a PA or NP and essentially practice medicine in a fraction of the time. In addition he says the nursing lobby is much stronger than the physician lobby so their practice rights will likely be greatly expanded in my lifetime. He says I’ll have much of the authority and not have to bear all of the responsibility. I don’t mind the responsibility but to start making money sooner would be nice. Plus the nursing prereqs are basic and wouldn’t take me long, so I’m just weighing my options. 

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GrumpyRN has 38 years experience as a NP and specializes in Emergency Department.

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12 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

No, he told me it’s silly to go to school and rack up all of that debt, and spend almost a decade in school not in the workforce when I can be a PA or NP and essentially practice medicine in a fraction of the time. In addition he says the nursing lobby is much stronger than the physician lobby so their practice rights will likely be greatly expanded in my lifetime. He says I’ll have much of the authority and not have to bear all of the responsibility. I don’t mind the responsibility but to start making money sooner would be nice. Plus the nursing prereqs are basic and wouldn’t take me long, so I’m just weighing my options. 

Hmmm... Still sounds to me that he doesn't think you can be a doctor and he is trying to let you down easy by getting you to do something HE thinks is easier and will also cost him less money considering he supports you.

Not sure where he gets the idea that the nursing lobby is more powerful than the doctor one. 

He has a very strange idea about responsibility, whoever treats the patient is responsible.

"Plus the nursing prereqs are basic and wouldn’t take me long," - Your 23, what have you been doing with your life so far?

 

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GrumpyRN has 38 years experience as a NP and specializes in Emergency Department.

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1 hour ago, GrumpyRN said:

"Plus the nursing prereqs are basic and wouldn’t take me long," - Your 23, what have you been doing with your life so far?

 

Sorry should be you're 23.

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Hoosier_RN has 20 years experience as a MSN and specializes in LTC, home health, hospice, ICU, ER, dialysis.

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1 hour ago, GrumpyRN said:

Hmmm... Still sounds to me that he doesn't think you can be a doctor and he is trying to let you down easy by getting you to do something HE thinks is easier and will also cost him less money considering he supports you.

Not sure where he gets the idea that the nursing lobby is more powerful than the doctor one. 

He has a very strange idea about responsibility, whoever treats the patient is responsible.

"Plus the nursing prereqs are basic and wouldn’t take me long," - Your 23, what have you been doing with your life so far?

 

I pondered this all as well. Most Drs that I know totally pay for their children's education, so that they don't have debt. This situation would be a definite outlier.  

I had also raised my eyebrows at the nurses lobby being more powerful than medical. The AMA is one of the most powerful lobbying forces around. The various nursing orgs, can't seem to agree on what causes to champion, and remain divided. Until that is addressed, we won't be taken as seriously as we should be as a lobbying body.

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BostonFNP has 9 years experience as a APRN and specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.

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15 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

No, he told me it’s silly to go to school and rack up all of that debt, and spend almost a decade in school not in the workforce when I can be a PA or NP and essentially practice medicine in a fraction of the time. In addition he says the nursing lobby is much stronger than the physician lobby so their practice rights will likely be greatly expanded in my lifetime. He says I’ll have much of the authority and not have to bear all of the responsibility. I don’t mind the responsibility but to start making money sooner would be nice. Plus the nursing prereqs are basic and wouldn’t take me long, so I’m just weighing my options. 

He's right, well about everything except the "nursing lobby", which is a rather common myth touted by physicians. The AMA is one of the top 10 lobbies consistently: nursing is about 10 fold behind in spending.

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