will universal healthcare ( in the usa) cut RN pay?

[Trauma_Team_1]

I been hearing this debate off and on for a long time about how if Obama gets universal healthcare to go ( if he gets elected of course)though in the US that nursing pay will be cut dramatically. I would think this has to do with the fact that we would all be working for the government and that there will no longer be competition. There are many people in my nursing class that said they will leave nursing if thats the case. I also talked to several doctors that said the same thing about medicine in general. Im just curious if anyone has some good info about this. Thanks

[IHeartPhysiology]

......there was just a huge 30+ page argument about this........ Not saying that I don't agree with you, though.

[sirI, MSN, APRN, NP]

Here are a couple threads on this topic:

https://allnurses.com/forums/f8/universal-healthcare-nursing-salaries-300935.html

https://allnurses.com/forums/f287/will-universal-healthcare-usa-cut-rn-pay-329308.html

[icyounurse, BSN, RN]

My physic powers are telling me that alot of people are going to get on this thread and start posting strong opinions for and against universal health care and its going to get heated and emotional and some(probably those against it) will resort to personal attacks.............and no one will change their mind in the end...................

hmmm, now to sit back and watch:)

To the OP I do agree with you, I am a proponent of universal health care. Its just that every time someone puts those words in a thread title the results are a bit predictable:)

[IHeartPhysiology]

If you think your comments are in any way relevant to my call for grown women to control themselves and their lady partss enough to not get pregnant when they can't afford the child, then you misunderstood my point entirely.

That kind of sexist language is really offensive and uncalled for. Maybe more grown MEN should control their memberes and own up to their responsibilities as well!!

[Atheos]

That kind of sexist language is really offensive and uncalled for. Maybe more MEN should control their memberes and own up to their responsibilities as well!!

Off Topic :)

[RN1982]

Unions have their good qualities and their bad qualities. My mother is part of the union at Ameritech, a phone service. She said it has been the worst thing she's ever been a part of. She sees more employees get away with abusing FMLA and sick leave and the company puts up with it because of the union. I don't want to be part of a union like that, one that will be as ineffective as the one my mother joined. As I've said before, people have the right to vote for Obama or McCain. We may not like it. It's sad that instead of uniting as a country, these parties such as the Democratic Party and the Republican party are keeping the American people divided when we should really be working together to solve the many problems that face this country.

[OgopogoLPN, LPN, RN]

And how about personal accountability? How about not getting pregnant if you can't afford the medical bills or don't have insurance? How about getting a job that offers medical insurance?

I was going to reply to this thread with this very thought and then I came accross this statment (in bold).

Access to fair, affordable and decent health care coverage SHOULD NOT EQUAL EMPLOYMENT!!! (Nor education level, as I imagine those with higher education have jobs that are more likely to offer affordable health care insurance).

Yes, I'm Canadian and have grown up with UHC. I value it. I'm so glad to have it. It's not perfect by any means. There's a lot about our system that needs fixing.

But, in Canada, you are covered whether you are rich, poor, a student, homeless, have a good job, a bad job, no job.

I don't imagine every job in the USA offers medical insurance and I think that is an asinine comment to make.

[rntraveler]

to Bortaz and Stanley, You are WAY off subject. Subject is Universal Health care and will it affect RN pay? There is no need or call for sexist,abusive remarks.

By the way, I agree that MM is unattractive,boorish and assinine in many ways,BUT there were many truths in his little film.

[Atheos]

to Bortaz and Stanley, You are WAY off subject. Subject is Universal Health care and will it affect RN pay? There is no need or call for sexist,abusive remarks.

By the way, I agree that MM is unattractive,boorish and assinine in many ways,BUT there were many truths in his little film.

I agree which is why it ended there, but multiple people were off topic and my comments were neither sexist nor abusive.

Sorry for going off topic...

[Bortaz, MSN, RN]

That kind of sexist language is really offensive and uncalled for. Maybe more grown MEN should control their memberes and own up to their responsibilities as well!!

My demand for personal responsibility applies to males and penii, too.

[Bortaz, MSN, RN]

I don't think it's off topic to respond to trains of thought that are put forth in a discussion. I simply responded to what was said here.

I also don't feel that anything I said is sexist, but if you were offended, I apologize. It was not my intention to offend anyone. I just feel passionately about this subject.

[herring_RN, ASN, BSN]

Yes, complications do arise during pregnancy but complications are less likely to occur if you are getting prenatal care. If they do, then they are caught early.

And how about personal accountability? How about not getting pregnant if you can't afford the medical bills or don't have insurance? How about getting a job that offers medical insurance?

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