Will Protests Lead to More COVID Surges?

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Disclaimer: I know that I can't control what people post on this forum, but I'm asking that we keep the discussion as apolitical and health-centered as possible. I know there are a lot of strong opinions about police brutality, protests, and riots/vandalism/looting. If you're interested to hear people's thoughts on those topics, there's an interesting, non-healthcare discussion in the US Politics Club on AN:

https://allnurses.com/riots-minneapolis-t720621/

Is anybody else seriously concerned that we might see a large surge in covid cases following all of these protests?

Last week, people were yelling on the TV about how irresponsible it was to begin Phases I/II and let people gather in groups of 10. Now, literally tens of thousands of people are gathering, and the media/public seem shockingly unconcerned. I feel like I'm getting social distancing policy whiplash.

Most of the protest pictures I've seen depict protesters wearing masks and attempting to follow covid guidelines. However, there are a ton of pics of people wearing masks incorrectly (under their noses or chins), and it's pretty much impossible to socially distance in protest/riot conditions. It seems like a nearly impossible environment to practice good hand hygiene. Plus, people are out yelling/chanting and projecting their droplets even further. I'm just so glad that they're outside instead of in a confined space.

I fully support peoples' right to demonstrate, and I generally support the protesters' rhetoric, but this seems like a recipe for disaster. With covid concerns still lingering, it seems like the worst possible time for people to be out congregating.

I'm especially worried about covid having a vastly disproportionate on black communities by the time this is all over. By now, we've probably all seen the data showing that African Americans are dying from covid at disproportionately higher rates than other races. Even if high-risk people are staying home from protests, I fear that protests could increase the spread through communities by contact with protesters. Of course, once it's out circulating in the community, the virus will be harmful to people of all races. To be perfectly honest, I also worry about huge outbreaks through the police force, too.

Even before all of this began, many states were starting Phase I/II despite an increasing numbers of cases. My state had the biggest spike we'd ever seen the day before Phase II started, and we went ahead with Phase II anyway (just before Memorial Day, when a ton of people were out socializing and ignoring distancing orders). It seems like the protests will fuel the spread of covid even further.

Outside of the big metro areas, most cities had relatively tiny covid surges since the stay at home orders were so effective. It seems like the smaller impact has lulled citizens of those cities/states into a false sense of security. I'm concerned that places like Minneapolis, which experienced a smaller impact the first go around, are going to see huge, unprecedented surges and start running out of beds/vents.

Specializes in Med Surg, Hospice, Wound Care.

My hospital (in a city where there have been many protests) is preparing for a surge by making all of the single occupancy covid rooms double occupancy. This is just a plan at this stage, but we're already experiencing a surge and have maxed out available space.

Specializes in Psychiatry.

To remain with the initial intention of this post to remain apoltical I have the following thought...

Regardless of personal feelings we are seeing large groups of people gathering in crowds and spreading loudly, which may very well be an incubator for a second wave.

As nurses we have a responsibility to educate and infection control is one area where we shine.

We should be looking at harm reduction strategies which can involve proper usage of masks.

What I'm seeing is speakers taking their masks off to speak. I'm not sure that's necessary. They then pass the megaphone they've just sprayed droplets all over to the next speaker.

Also, protesters and law enforcement wearing masks incorrectly. I see noses exposed, masks hanging down around necks, etc. Even the police are gathering in small groups huddling together, no masks.

It's it that masks are found to be too uncomfortable ? I find a cloth mask to be much more comfortable when not at work and I don't feel overheated as I can with a paper surgical masks. Also, for extended wear I prefer a mask with straps to offload the weight. I've seen nurses with their masks attached to a head covering instead of their ears to improve comfort.

Does anyone else have any strategies to help educate folks to increase mask compliance ?

Many of our rooms were retrofitted to make them negative pressure by installing a large HVAC machine in the middle of the room and putting the exaust out of the window. They're noisy, but get the job done !

Specializes in Emergency Department.
On 6/4/2020 at 6:15 PM, A Hit With The Ladies said:

Apparently the Coronavirus goes into hibernation if your protest is over racism, but if your protest is about the economy or our civil liberties, you are automatically worse than Hitler in being complicit in the spread of Coronavirus.

4 days is all it took for Godwins law to raise its head. Well done that man!

In reply to the OP, I certainly think we will see a surge in cases. Here in the UK we have had protests as well with little or no distancing so....

On 6/1/2020 at 4:37 PM, adventure_rn said:

Disclaimer: I know that I can't control what people post on this forum, but I'm asking that we keep the discussion as apolitical and health-centered as possible. I know there are a lot of strong opinions about police brutality, protests, and riots/vandalism/looting. If you're interested to hear people's thoughts on those topics, there's an interesting, non-healthcare discussion in the US Politics Club on AN:

https://allnurses.com/riots-minneapolis-t720621/

Is anybody else seriously concerned that we might see a large surge in covid cases following all of these protests?

Last week, people were yelling on the TV about how irresponsible it was to begin Phases I/II and let people gather in groups of 10. Now, literally tens of thousands of people are gathering, and the media/public seem shockingly unconcerned. I feel like I'm getting social distancing policy whiplash.

Most of the protest pictures I've seen depict protesters wearing masks and attempting to follow covid guidelines. However, there are a ton of pics of people wearing masks incorrectly (under their noses or chins), and it's pretty much impossible to socially distance in protest/riot conditions. It seems like a nearly impossible environment to practice good hand hygiene. Plus, people are out yelling/chanting and projecting their droplets even further. I'm just so glad that they're outside instead of in a confined space.

I fully support peoples' right to demonstrate, and I generally support the protesters' rhetoric, but this seems like a recipe for disaster. With covid concerns still lingering, it seems like the worst possible time for people to be out congregating.

I'm especially worried about covid having a vastly disproportionate on black communities by the time this is all over. By now, we've probably all seen the data showing that African Americans are dying from covid at disproportionately higher rates than other races. Even if high-risk people are staying home from protests, I fear that protests could increase the spread through communities by contact with protesters. Of course, once it's out circulating in the community, the virus will be harmful to people of all races. To be perfectly honest, I also worry about huge outbreaks through the police force, too.

Even before all of this began, many states were starting Phase I/II despite an increasing numbers of cases. My state had the biggest spike we'd ever seen the day before Phase II started, and we went ahead with Phase II anyway (just before Memorial Day, when a ton of people were out socializing and ignoring distancing orders). It seems like the protests will fuel the spread of covid even further.

Outside of the big metro areas, most cities had relatively tiny covid surges since the stay at home orders were so effective. It seems like the smaller impact has lulled citizens of those cities/states into a false sense of security. I'm concerned that places like Minneapolis, which experienced a smaller impact the first go around, are going to see huge, unprecedented surges and start running out of beds/vents.

There will most likely if not guaranteed be surges in cases of Covid 19.

This is a highly infectious disease, and most of these young people would most likely be asymptomatic careers who will spread it to the vulnerable folks.

To be honest, I find it hard to answer this question without acknowledging and discussing the reasons as to why the protests are happening. I think it seems likely that instances of Covid-19 will increase as a result of the protests. However, that is essentially acknowledging that I believe large gatherings of people in close proximity to one another helps spread this disease.

Respectfully, in order to have a more meaningful discussion, this can't be a closed question. It needs to be stated why these protests are occurring. The protests are a response to the overt and systemic racial injustices that affect POC on a daily basis.

As a nation, we watched the murder of George Floyd, a Black man, by police officers for the alleged crime of using counterfeit money to buy cigarettes. We watched the entire arrest, which he didn't resist. We watched as he repeatedly stated he couldn't breathe. We watched as he called out "mama". We watched as he lay on the ground lifeless and not one of the police officers administered any sort of medical care despite the pleas of bystanders to check on him. We watched all of it.

In this instance, the reason as to why people are gathering together and risking spreading Covid-19 matters. It matters because George Floyd's death came after Breonna Taylor's. And Ahmaud Arbery's. And Philando Castile's. And Sandra Bland's. And Tamir Rice's. And many many others.

It matters because the disease that we are so fearful of catching and spreading (because it is an absolutely horrible disease) disproportionately has been affecting POC. And why is that?

The reasons for these protests matters a whole lot. People (myself included) are knowingly taking a risk gathering together to protest because we feel so strongly that the injustices that are occurring are so horrific that they pose a grave threat to our society.

Specializes in Psych.

I have no issues with people (peacefully) protesting any cause they see fit, including this one. Free country like America means people will protest for their beliefs.

What I do have an issue with is the hypocrisy and double-speak of the "public health experts". They sure knew how to talk tough when people wanted to reopen America, and they were declaring that fines and the National Guard were perfectly acceptable ways to force people to stay home. They also said things like, "If you're going to be out there in public, then you should NOT get a ventilator if you get COVID!"

But these tough-talking "public health experts" won't dare say the same things to black American protesters or anti-racism protesters. They should be honest here: They only cared about Coronavirus when it didn't mean they could risk antagonizing their left-wing political comrades. Their credibility is in tatters now. All you have to do when asked why you're out in public, maskless and not social distancing, is to glibly reply, "I'm heading to a protest against police brutality!" Then apparently they'll back off and ditch their so-called principles.

Specializes in Emergency Department.
6 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

All you have to do when asked why you're out in public, maskless and not social distancing, is to glibly reply, "I'm heading to a protest against police brutality!"

Or of course you could just say, "I'm a police officer on my way to kneel on some random black mans neck," seeing as there was no social distancing or masks when George Floyd was killed.

Specializes in Psych.
1 minute ago, GrumpyRN said:

Or of course you could just say, "I'm a police officer on my way to kneel on some random black mans neck," seeing as there was no social distancing or masks when George Floyd was killed.

Uh, pretty sure it's impossible to have social distancing even when you have a non-murder arrest of a suspect by the cops...

Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg.
9 hours ago, Simonesays said:

The reasons for these protests matters a whole lot. People (myself included) are knowingly taking a risk gathering together to protest because we feel so strongly that the injustices that are occurring are so horrific that they pose a grave threat to our society.

The reasons the people who were protesting the covid lockdowns mattered a whole lot also. Peoples lives also depended on that as well as it being a grave threat to society. It is either wrong to gather together or it is not (for medical reasons). If those protestors were selfish, covidiots, going to kill people because they breathed on them then so are all the people who are now protesting. You cant have it both ways, virus' don't understand politics.

1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

The reasons the people who were protesting the covid lockdowns mattered a whole lot also. Peoples lives also depended on that as well as it being a grave threat to society. It is either wrong to gather together or it is not (for medical reasons). If those protestors were selfish, covidiots, going to kill people because they breathed on them then so are all the people who are now protesting. You cant have it both ways, virus' don't understand politics.

I would also add to that that there were nurses who were crying and refused to go to work over this virus just a short time ago and now there are nurses who went to the protest? I hope they aren't the same ones.

I have nothing against a peaceful protest, but as others have said that they have no right to endanger the public with their disregard for protocol in that they are "covidiots". Oh wait, that was the other protest.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU.
1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

The reasons the people who were protesting the covid lockdowns mattered a whole lot also. Peoples lives also depended on that as well as it being a grave threat to society. It is either wrong to gather together or it is not (for medical reasons). If those protestors were selfish, covidiots, going to kill people because they breathed on them then so are all the people who are now protesting. You cant have it both ways, virus' don't understand politics.

There is a difference in protesting because you can't get your hair cut or nails done, and protesting systemic racism and police brutality that endangers the lives of many on a daily basis.

Specializes in Psych.
8 minutes ago, JadedCPN said:

There is a difference in protesting because you can't get your hair cut or nails done, and protesting systemic racism and police brutality that endangers the lives of many on a daily basis.

The Coronavirus takes a holiday off with one, and the ICUs don't fill up with patients and we don't have nurses and other hospital staff dying anymore? That's just splendid!

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