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toomuchbaloney

Has 43 years experience.

14 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

So.... going back to the topic at hand... yes, I do think there'll be more COVID cases and a "second wave" of infections. The protesters and looters can quarantine themselves for the second wave. No stimulus monies whatsoever for them staying home. Especially the looters.

They need more quarantine that the haircut Karens and Corey's that were protesting the week before?

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN

Specializes in Psych. Has 5 years experience.

Politico even came out with a piece on the hypocrisy of these "public health officials" supporting these protests:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534

Apparently the Coronavirus goes into hibernation if your protest is over racism, but if your protest is about the economy or our civil liberties, you are automatically worse than Hitler in being complicit in the spread of Coronavirus.

NurseSpeedy, ADN, LPN, RN

Has 19 years experience.

My opinion-it will cause a surge. we just spent months in quarantine for this to just blow up in our faces anyways.

Emergent, RN

Specializes in ER. Has 28 years experience.

Basically, the stay-at-home orders and lockdowns have contributed to this whole volatile situation. Everybody is on edge. Then you have a cop who undoubtedly was already hateful and burnt out. He has his own life situations and obviously he went berserk and killed Mr Floyd, who incidentally was covid-19 positive.

People in all walks of society are living in a pressure cooker right now. Then, this killing is documented and the whole world gets to see the undeniable Injustice and brutality of what he went through. Naturally, there are huge demonstrations and riots. That is totally predictable. It has happened before, it's nothing new, and the government contributed to it by imposing this lockdown.

This killing was not one of those ones that are arguable. When it's dark and the cop thinks that somebody has a gun, and then reacts and it turns out the person was unarmed, that is not a clear-cut situation in my mind. The video footage from the various bystanders and cameras show the man pleading for his life. He was not resisting arrest. He may have been drinking or using some substances, but everybody is doing more of that these days. He was positive for this virus which might very well have contributed to his physical vulnerability.

I argue that we cannot stop mother nature in this Draconian fashion. I think that the decision to shut down Society led to predictable problems that are worse then the virus. Now we have unrest in the cities. We have some problems with our chain of supply. Where I live call mother are problems in the agricultural warehouses with worker unrest and covid-19.

I think we are in for even more trouble. We have a president who is not skilled at descalating. He is inciting wrath of the military. The election is coming up and he could very well attempt to declare martial law if social unrest continues. Then you have the other party that thinks it can keep the economy locked down indefinitely because of their weak grasp of economic realities. You have a population that is very spoiled, in debt, and overextended. All this adds up to a probable catastrophe for the United States of America.

So, yes, the virus will spread more. But, that is the least of our worries at this point.

toomuchbaloney

Has 43 years experience.

On 6/5/2020 at 8:22 AM, Emergent said:

Basically, the stay-at-home orders and lockdowns have contributed to this whole volatile situation. Everybody is on edge. Then you have a cop who undoubtedly was already hateful and burnt out. He has his own life situations and obviously he went berserk and killed Mr Floyd, who incidentally was covid-19 positive.

People in all walks of society are living in a pressure cooker right now. Then, this killing is documented and the whole world gets to see the undeniable Injustice and brutality of what he went through. Naturally, there are huge demonstrations and riots. That is totally predictable. It has happened before, it's nothing new, and the government contributed to it by imposing this lockdown.

This killing was not one of those ones that are arguable. When it's dark and the cop thinks that somebody has a gun, and then reacts and it turns out the person was unarmed, that is not a clear-cut situation in my mind. The video footage from the various bystanders and cameras show the man pleading for his life. He was not resisting arrest. He may have been drinking or using some substances, but everybody is doing more of that these days. He was positive for this virus which might very well have contributed to his physical vulnerability.

I argue that we cannot stop mother nature in this Draconian fashion. I think that the decision to shut down Society led to predictable problems that are worse then the virus. Now we have unrest in the cities. We have some problems with our chain of supply. Where I live call mother are problems in the agricultural warehouses with worker unrest and covid-19.

I think we are in for even more trouble. We have a president who is not skilled at descalating. He is inciting wrath of the military. The election is coming up and he could very well attempt to declare martial law if social unrest continues. Then you have the other party that thinks it can keep the economy locked down indefinitely because of their weak grasp of economic realities. You have a population that is very spoiled, in debt, and overextended. All this adds up to a probable catastrophe for the United States of America.

So, yes, the virus will spread more. But, that is the least of our worries at this point.

Unaccountable police violence against people in their custody, disproportionately black men is the catalyst for the mass protests in the streets. Yes...we've seen that the isolation itself was too stressful for the white people who continue to insist that the blacks simply learn to live peaceably with their oppression and oppressors. Those white people showed up with guns to protest the public health recommendations. Now they are either criticizing the BLM protests or sabotaging them with their own white people violence and telling the world what the BLM protests mean. Just like they told the world that the kneeling was about disrespecting the flag or anthem or [insert jingoist symbol].

The irony is remarkable.

Marc Goodman, BSN

Specializes in Psychiatry. Has 15 years experience.

To remain with the initial intention of this post to remain apoltical I have the following thought...

Regardless of personal feelings we are seeing large groups of people gathering in crowds and spreading loudly, which may very well be an incubator for a second wave.

As nurses we have a responsibility to educate and infection control is one area where we shine.

We should be looking at harm reduction strategies which can involve proper usage of masks.

What I'm seeing is speakers taking their masks off to speak. I'm not sure that's necessary. They then pass the megaphone they've just sprayed droplets all over to the next speaker.

Also, protesters and law enforcement wearing masks incorrectly. I see noses exposed, masks hanging down around necks, etc. Even the police are gathering in small groups huddling together, no masks.

It's it that masks are found to be too uncomfortable ? I find a cloth mask to be much more comfortable when not at work and I don't feel overheated as I can with a pair surgical masks. Also, for extended wear I prefer a mask with straps to offload the weight. I've seen nurses with their masks attached to a head covering instead of their ears to improve comfort.

Does anyone else have any strategies to help educate folks to increase mask compliance ?

On 6/5/2020 at 8:22 AM, Emergent said:

Basically, the stay-at-home orders and lockdowns have contributed to this whole volatile situation. Everybody is on edge. Then you have a cop who undoubtedly was already hateful and burnt out. He has his own life situations and obviously he went berserk and killed Mr Floyd, who incidentally was covid-19 positive.

He was not burnt out, just hateful. This was not the first time he murdered/physically assaulted a Black man. He already has a past of racist violence. He did not go "berserk", he's just a racist POS.

People in all walks of society are living in a pressure cooker right now. Then, this killing is documented and the whole world gets to see the undeniable Injustice and brutality of what he went through. Naturally, there are huge demonstrations and riots. That is totally predictable. It has happened before, it's nothing new, and the government contributed to it by imposing this lockdown.

Racial injustice and police violence towards Black/Brown people has been going on long before the lockdown. People are just fed up with being murdered, children and women included, for literally no damn reason other than the color of their skin.

This killing was not one of those ones that are arguable. When it's dark and the cop thinks that somebody has a gun, and then reacts and it turns out the person was unarmed, that is not a clear-cut situation in my mind. The video footage from the various bystanders and cameras show the man pleading for his life. He was not resisting arrest. He may have been drinking or using some substances, but everybody is doing more of that these days. He was positive for this virus which might very well have contributed to his physical vulnerability.

None of them are arguable! It was broad daylight, not dark. No way they though he had a gun when he was handcuffed and they had already searched him. He was on the ground with 3 other people on top of him, there was no need for the knee to his neck. Why does he have to be possibly drunk or abusing drugs? Because he's a Black man? He may have received the virus from the 4 cops sitting on top of him.

I argue that we cannot stop mother nature in this Draconian fashion. I think that the decision to shut down Society led to predictable problems that are worse then the virus. Now we have unrest in the cities. We have some problems with our chain of supply. Where I live call mother are problems in the agricultural warehouses with worker unrest and covid-19.

Or maybe, just maybe, people are tired of being abused and mistreated. This virus will not be used as the excuse for piss poor behavior.

I think we are in for even more trouble. We have a president who is not skilled at descalating. He is inciting wrath of the military. The election is coming up and he could very well attempt to declare martial law if social unrest continues. Then you have the other party that thinks it can keep the economy locked down indefinitely because of their weak grasp of economic realities. You have a population that is very spoiled, in debt, and overextended. All this adds up to a probable catastrophe for the United States of America.

Nope. You have a racist POTUS who has moved beyond dog whistles, to outright sounding the alarm to uncouth supporters hell bent on forcing their racist agenda onto others. These protests have people from all walks of life including races, religion, creeds, sexuality, financial status, etc. Everyone is tired of the unnecessary hatred and trifling behavior. Also, it's funny you speak of one party having a "weak grasp of economic realities" when the truth is if the economy were healthy, people wouldn't have been begging to go back to work during a global pandemic. This pandemic exposing the truth of the economy being weak. One party gave tax breaks and corporate welfare to their rich donors, including the SBA bailout that also went to rich donors, while the majority of the country struggles. There is no "probable catastrophe", we're actively in a catastrophe and have been for some time.

So, yes, the virus will spread more. But, that is the least of our worries at this point.

I'm not sure if you don't understand, or are into your own world and clueless of the rest of our plights, but this post shows exactly what is wrong in the country today. You assume a lot of things without actually understanding the who, what, why, and cause behind them. Political preference aside, as this isn't a time for politics, real lives are in danger and we're on the brink of collapse in every facet of this country, educational, financial, emotional, governmental, etc. Systemic racism, ignorance, and political nonsense is why we're at this crossroads now. Human decency and common courtesy are free.

On 6/4/2020 at 12:23 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

They need more quarantine that the haircut Karens and Corey's that were protesting the week before?

Notice how people fail to realize that. Before the protests, there was the armed idiots storming state capital buildings all so they can get a haircut and a beer at the local pub. Then there was the holiday weekend where the beaches were beyond capacity. But somehow, people begging not to be murdered with impunity is a problem. I can't with this society.

Black people are asking to be treated equally and to not be murdered. Karens and Corey's are acting entitled and demanding to be served. See the difference? Sadly, many don't because it doesn't affect them.

In response to the OP, Covid cases were surging long before the protests due to people not wearing masks, not avoiding large crowds, going against the rules set in place to keep them safe and healthy. These include beaches being crowded, Spring break weekend, people having parties, people going against stay home orders to get haircuts, or giving haircuts in their homes, memorial day weekend, and the protests. It's a compounded issue of events that have caused cases to rise nationwide.

Then you have circumstances where people are forced to work to avoid being homeless and factories, especially those handling food, having outbreaks with CEOs hiding cases, and not closing down to disinfect.

With all the drama going on, we'll never see an end to this virus.

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

On 6/3/2020 at 7:37 AM, pixierose said:

“There’s a common link between the latest wave of police and white supremacist killings of African Americans and the disproportionate racial impact of the pandemic and the economic crisis,” said NNU Executive Director Bonnie Castillo, RN.

“Nurses understand that when you have pain and suffering, whether it is one patient or a community that is hurting, the first priority must be healing and recovery, driven by compassion and humanity,” Castillo said. “We’re seeing far too much of the opposite reaction.”

Across the United States, African Americans and in many areas Latinos, have died of COVID-19 in numbers as high as three to four times the rate of whites, and have lost jobs in greater percentages since March. “Coupled with the murders of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Ahmaud Arbery, there is a palpable outrage and frustration after years of inaction that has prompted the protests,” said Castillo.

... “In fact, it is racism that is the deadly disease, whether it is infusing police killings, the decades of racist disparities in health care, housing, employment, education, criminal justice, and so many other facets of our society that have boiled over in a call for change now in our streets,” Castillo concluded. “This is an extremely perilous moment. We are at a crossroads in this nation. It is increasingly evident that verbal opposition to the policies in Washington and in many states, is not enough...

... “And we must acknowledge that it is the economic, political, legal, and corporate system that reinforces this crisis. We must push for the transformative changes that will protect the health and safety of everyone, protect our diversity, and protect our democracy.”...

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/national-nurses-uniteds-statement-protests-and-systemic-racism

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

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1 hour ago, Leader25 said:

Honestly dont know what you are referencing....but there was a Grandmother murdered outside of Walgreens -that is a fact.

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3 hours ago, herring_RN said:

in many areas Latinos, have died of COVID-19 in numbers as high as three to four times the rate of whites, and have lost jobs

How about I post a bit more rather than a partial sentence? Just the pertinent part about death rates of COVID-19? If you read the entire statement the context will make sense, even if you disagree.

If still uncertain about the statement or other postings please click the link to read the entire statement or statistics.

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... “There’s a common link between the latest wave of police and white supremacist killings of African Americans and the disproportionate racial impact of the pandemic and the economic crisis,” said NNU Executive Director Bonnie Castillo, RN.

“Nurses understand that when you have pain and suffering, whether it is one patient or a community that is hurting, the first priority must be healing and recovery, driven by compassion and humanity,” Castillo said. “We’re seeing far too much of the opposite reaction.”

Across the United States, African Americans and in many areas Latinos, have died of COVID-19 in numbers as high as three to four times the rate of whites

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The novel coronavirus has claimed about 99,000 American lives through May 19, according to reported statistics. Data about the race and ethnicity of the deceased is known for 89% of these deaths, which we have compiled from Washington, D.C. and the 40 states from which we have obtained data. While we have an incomplete picture of the toll of COVID-19, the existing data reveals deep inequities by race, most dramatically for Black Americans.

Aggregated deaths from COVID-19 in these 40 states and the District of Columbia have reached new highs for all groups:

  • 1 in 1,850 Black Americans has died (or 54.6 deaths per 100,000)
  • 1 in 4,000 Latino Americans has died (or 24.9 deaths per 100,000)
  • 1 in 4,200 Asian Americans has died (or 24.3 deaths per 100,000)
  • 1 in 4,400 White Americans has died (or 22.7 deaths per 100,000)

If they had died of COVID-19 at the same rate as White Americans, about 13,000 Black Americans, 1,300 Latino Americans and 300 Asian Americans would still be alive...

https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/deaths-by-race