Will Protests Lead to More COVID Surges?

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Disclaimer: I know that I can't control what people post on this forum, but I'm asking that we keep the discussion as apolitical and health-centered as possible. I know there are a lot of strong opinions about police brutality, protests, and riots/vandalism/looting. If you're interested to hear people's thoughts on those topics, there's an interesting, non-healthcare discussion in the US Politics Club on AN:

https://allnurses.com/riots-minneapolis-t720621/

Is anybody else seriously concerned that we might see a large surge in covid cases following all of these protests?

Last week, people were yelling on the TV about how irresponsible it was to begin Phases I/II and let people gather in groups of 10. Now, literally tens of thousands of people are gathering, and the media/public seem shockingly unconcerned. I feel like I'm getting social distancing policy whiplash.

Most of the protest pictures I've seen depict protesters wearing masks and attempting to follow covid guidelines. However, there are a ton of pics of people wearing masks incorrectly (under their noses or chins), and it's pretty much impossible to socially distance in protest/riot conditions. It seems like a nearly impossible environment to practice good hand hygiene. Plus, people are out yelling/chanting and projecting their droplets even further. I'm just so glad that they're outside instead of in a confined space.

I fully support peoples' right to demonstrate, and I generally support the protesters' rhetoric, but this seems like a recipe for disaster. With covid concerns still lingering, it seems like the worst possible time for people to be out congregating.

I'm especially worried about covid having a vastly disproportionate on black communities by the time this is all over. By now, we've probably all seen the data showing that African Americans are dying from covid at disproportionately higher rates than other races. Even if high-risk people are staying home from protests, I fear that protests could increase the spread through communities by contact with protesters. Of course, once it's out circulating in the community, the virus will be harmful to people of all races. To be perfectly honest, I also worry about huge outbreaks through the police force, too.

Even before all of this began, many states were starting Phase I/II despite an increasing numbers of cases. My state had the biggest spike we'd ever seen the day before Phase II started, and we went ahead with Phase II anyway (just before Memorial Day, when a ton of people were out socializing and ignoring distancing orders). It seems like the protests will fuel the spread of covid even further.

Outside of the big metro areas, most cities had relatively tiny covid surges since the stay at home orders were so effective. It seems like the smaller impact has lulled citizens of those cities/states into a false sense of security. I'm concerned that places like Minneapolis, which experienced a smaller impact the first go around, are going to see huge, unprecedented surges and start running out of beds/vents.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
13 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

To even suggest that Daisy is a racist is a personal attack and divisive in nature. I know we can do better than that.

Discussing language used in a communication or post in terms of racist tones is not the same as attacking a poster.

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I like the advice a fellow allnurses member posted years ago. He said something like, "If you are debating someone you disagree with begin a sentence with "I". Beginning with "You" is discussing the other member and can be interpreted as defamatory or name calling.

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12 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

I like the advice a fellow allnurses member posted years ago. He said something like, "If you are debating someone you disagree with begin a sentence with "I". Beginning with "You" is discussing the other member can be interpreted it as defamatory or name calling.

And, years later, this still holds true.

Specializes in ED, psych.

Two quotes keep popping into my mind through these weeks ...

“Becoming conscious of racism does not mean you are a racist.” - Auliq Ice

But ...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” - MLK

If me, as a White woman, isn’t invested in helping in decentralizing whiteness in positions of privilege and dominance, then lamentations are empty. Me merely donating to black charities, for example, and bemoaning injustices and the political systems that failed them .. not helpful. I am still learning how to do so, and have a long way to go, but am committed and trying.

It does include the understanding that we are *making* people protest - it is not a choice; if you think POC can just chill til after the pandemic, you (general you) are complicit in a racist society.

Side note - Macawake, excellent posts .. really enjoyed your breakdowns.

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5 hours ago, pixierose said:

If me, as a White woman, isn’t invested in helping in decentralizing whiteness in positions of privilege and dominance, then lamentations are empty.

But wouldn't that make you a White Savior? ? I thought the woke caste hated people like that.

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if you think POC can just chill til after the pandemic, you (general you) are complicit in a racist society.

So I was right. The Corona-obsessed will let their "second wave" happen, because by their internal logic hundreds of thousands of African-Americans dying of the Coronavirus post-protests would be a true demonstration of how to stop racism.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
9 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

But wouldn't that make you a White Savior? ? I thought the woke caste hated people like that.

So I was right. The Corona-obsessed will let their "second wave" happen, because by their internal logic hundreds of thousands of African-Americans dying of the Coronavirus post-protests would be a true demonstration of how to stop racism.

How do you define "Corona-obsessed".

Who will let the second wave happen? Is that the politicians in control? Is the POTUS letting the second wave happen? Is he encouraging it?

How many Americans would have to get the illness (roughly) for hundreds of thousands of African-Americans to die from the virus? Will it be OK if they get sick and die so that businesses can be fully open?

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16 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Discussing language used in a communication or post in terms of racist tones is not the same as attacking a poster.

While I might tend to agree with this on general principles it doesnt seem like that to me in this case, especially considering it was the posters second comment. Add to that the comments made be previous different posters and it felt more like jumping on the band wagon to me. Perhaps y'all might feel different if it was aimed at you. Just sayin...

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
34 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

While I might tend to agree with this on general principles it doesnt seem like that to me in this case, especially considering it was the posters second comment. Add to that the comments made be previous different posters and it felt more like jumping on the band wagon to me. Perhaps y'all might feel different if it was aimed at you. Just sayin...

Of course I would. It's never comfortable for any of us when we are faced with the possibility that we've said or done something that is not well accepted within a group. I made a socially ignorant remark when I first relocated to Alaska. I was corrected in real time. It wasn't comfortable. I was the recently hired team builder...so it wasn't a good look. I spent a great deal of time listening to the Alaskan Native community tell their story after that. That story has value.

Unfortunately, I believe that my white story carries more weight in our society. My convenience is more valued than another's health. My wealth is of more priority to our government than another's suffering in poverty. On and on.

Our world views, language and attitudes change and grow all the time. Change is often uncomfortable, that's why so many push against it. IMV

Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg.
3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Of course I would. It's never comfortable for any of us when we are faced with the possibility that we've said or done something that is not well accepted within a group. I made a socially ignorant remark when I first relocated to Alaska. I was corrected in real time. It wasn't comfortable. I was the recently hired team builder...so it wasn't a good look. I spent a great deal of time listening to the Alaskan Native community tell their story after that. That story has value.

Unfortunately, I believe that my white story carries more weight in our society. My convenience is more valued than another's health. My wealth is of more priority to our government than another's suffering in poverty. On and on.

Our world views, language and attitudes change and grow all the time. Change is often uncomfortable, that's why so many push against it. IMV

Nice story but not the same thing. You are assuming that bc I have a different opinion (which btw others share also) than I need "correcting".

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

Nice story but not the same thing. You are assuming that bc I have a different opinion (which btw others share also) than I need "correcting".

We all are entitled to our opinions. I am of the opinion that some of your chosen language may have conveyed sentiments that are unintended or not really accurate relative to the topic at hand. I used the story to illustrate that it is easy for a person to say something which is unintentionally offensive to others...and that it's not uncommon for that to spark response or reaction.

Some people can hear that criticism and some people can't.

Some of the back and forth between members is better suited for private messages. Please do not take the thread off-topic by publicly discussing one-on-one.

Thank you.

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