Will Protests Lead to More COVID Surges?

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Disclaimer: I know that I can't control what people post on this forum, but I'm asking that we keep the discussion as apolitical and health-centered as possible. I know there are a lot of strong opinions about police brutality, protests, and riots/vandalism/looting. If you're interested to hear people's thoughts on those topics, there's an interesting, non-healthcare discussion in the US Politics Club on AN:

https://allnurses.com/riots-minneapolis-t720621/

Is anybody else seriously concerned that we might see a large surge in covid cases following all of these protests?

Last week, people were yelling on the TV about how irresponsible it was to begin Phases I/II and let people gather in groups of 10. Now, literally tens of thousands of people are gathering, and the media/public seem shockingly unconcerned. I feel like I'm getting social distancing policy whiplash.

Most of the protest pictures I've seen depict protesters wearing masks and attempting to follow covid guidelines. However, there are a ton of pics of people wearing masks incorrectly (under their noses or chins), and it's pretty much impossible to socially distance in protest/riot conditions. It seems like a nearly impossible environment to practice good hand hygiene. Plus, people are out yelling/chanting and projecting their droplets even further. I'm just so glad that they're outside instead of in a confined space.

I fully support peoples' right to demonstrate, and I generally support the protesters' rhetoric, but this seems like a recipe for disaster. With covid concerns still lingering, it seems like the worst possible time for people to be out congregating.

I'm especially worried about covid having a vastly disproportionate on black communities by the time this is all over. By now, we've probably all seen the data showing that African Americans are dying from covid at disproportionately higher rates than other races. Even if high-risk people are staying home from protests, I fear that protests could increase the spread through communities by contact with protesters. Of course, once it's out circulating in the community, the virus will be harmful to people of all races. To be perfectly honest, I also worry about huge outbreaks through the police force, too.

Even before all of this began, many states were starting Phase I/II despite an increasing numbers of cases. My state had the biggest spike we'd ever seen the day before Phase II started, and we went ahead with Phase II anyway (just before Memorial Day, when a ton of people were out socializing and ignoring distancing orders). It seems like the protests will fuel the spread of covid even further.

Outside of the big metro areas, most cities had relatively tiny covid surges since the stay at home orders were so effective. It seems like the smaller impact has lulled citizens of those cities/states into a false sense of security. I'm concerned that places like Minneapolis, which experienced a smaller impact the first go around, are going to see huge, unprecedented surges and start running out of beds/vents.

Specializes in ED, psych.
1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

I think some of you are forgetting the history of racism in this country, or maybe never knew it to begin with. I don't think that pointing out the innocent people have died (including some cops who were shot in the head assassination style) during the protest makes them an "apologist" for racism.

It’s like banging my head against a wall.

I’d ask again what Trump is doing NOW, but we’ll need to agree to disagree and stop the back and forth, Daisy.

I’m a little White girl and that statement just sounds obscene. I haven’t lived through racism; I don’t have history first hand, so I sure as hell won’t tell the generic you out there that they never knew it to begin with. It reeks of supremacy.

1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

People do get. Just bc some see a different way to solve the problem (and the cause) doesn't mean they don't get it. Many more innocent people have died at the "peaceful" protests, apparently that is unimportant to some.

Fairytales and fallacies. I'm unsure why peaceful is in quotes because last I checked it was Trump supporters walking around with guns and actually starting the riots but you don't care about facts. What we're not going to do, is try to diminish the purpose of the protests by trying to segway into something else and dismissing the cause. There are SEVERAL underlying causes to the protests but I won't get into it. It's evident you don't care to understand. I can't believe you "get it" yet post the things you do. If you "get it" yet refuse to show any concern or civility it means something else. I won't get into that though. I'm done addressing you.

3 minutes ago, pixierose said:

It’s like banging my head against a wall.

I’d ask again what Trump is doing NOW, but we’ll need to agree to disagree and stop the back and forth, Daisy.

I’m a little White girl and that statement just sounds obscene. I haven’t lived through racism; I don’t have history first hand, so I sure as hell won’t tell the generic you out there that they never knew it to begin with. It reeks of supremacy.

Because that's what the underlying feeling is, it's jumping through the screen with each post. How can she have the gall to tell people, who actually experience racism, have families who basically have all experienced racism, hell my Native family still speak on the smallpox blankets, but whatever. When people are that far gone, it's best to just let them be.

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

No, I wasn't kidding. The CDC and public health departments have been pretty consistent as they have developed the guidelines and tried to work through the political limits placed on their communications. The policymaker's political messaging has been inconsistent from the highest political office to the mayors of cities. THEY'RE messaging has wavered based upon political pressure. Health recommendations have evolved with science and advances in the understanding of the virus, as usual.

Of course, my apologies for THEY'RE rather than THEIR. It's a routine fight with my phone.

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Well, I guess we do agree to disagree. Some of you are making giant leaps about me and what I may or may not have ever been through. But, yeah we will stop the back and forth because I wouldn't want to have the gall of having a different opinion. And btw if you read any of the links I posted you will see it is not just my opinion.

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The fact that there are many Americans who are casually dismissive of the widespread racism in our society is exactly the point. And the problem. It's not just one person. Not just one nurse or accountant or shop owner, and not just one police officer or judge or mayor or senator. Some racist thinking and language is as American as apple pie. That's part of what needs to change. Thinking can be changed. Behavior can be modified.

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2 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

Some of you are making giant leaps about me and what I may or may not have ever been through.

You're exactly right. There are some people out there that cannot fail to make a convincing logical argument for their viewpoint. So they have to call those they disagree with as "racist" in an ad hominem attack. And then they say, "I'm done addressing you" as if they are the high-and-mighty arbiters of civility.

I'll just play Devil's advocate over here and pretend I was a pro-Fauci Coronavirus-obsessed busybody that harped on and on to stay home to everyone else. I would say, "Look, the Coronavirus mortality rate among African Americans right now is many, many times greater than the mortality rate due to police brutality! These are unusual times, so stay home no matter what!"

But these Corona-obsessed haven't done that with the George Floyd protests. They've remained silent or complicit now. Maybe to them, black lives don't matter? Maybe they're the real racists!

Some things never change. Resorting to personal insults when someone has a different opinion. Typical.

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1 hour ago, juniper222 said:

Some things never change. Resorting to personal insults when someone has a different opinion. Typical.

I see no personal insults in this thread, unless you are thinking of AHWTL. In actuality, I don’t even believe a post has been removed or edited, which has been pretty impressive.

No, Daisy and I are going in circles. I post links, she posts links she thinks I don’t read but do, we still disagree and the thread keeps on. It’s time she and I stop, because we add nothing new.

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You’re exactly right. There are some people out there that cannot fail to make a convincing logical argument for their viewpoint.

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Cannot fail.. Without fail?

Why thank you kind Sir. We do try. Glad you think that we’re successful at arguing our viewpoints in a logical manner. Truth be told, I wasn’t expecting the praise. ?

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8 minutes ago, macawake said:

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Cannot fail.. Without fail?

Why thank you kind Sir. We do try. Glad you think that we’re successful at arguing our viewpoints in a logical manner. Truth be told, I wasn’t expecting the praise. ?

I don't think he was expecting it either...LOL

We are experiencing the aftermath of Memorial day weekend. The surge in the COVID cases will be interesting to watch. Many of those partiers gathered without masking. That surge will likely blend with the cases which will follow the "I Can't Breathe" marches. Many of those people are masking but everyone knows that the crowds will result in more cases.

We need more testing.

http://wwmt.com/news/coronavirus/almost-10-of-people-who-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19-in-michigan-have-died

Daisy 4RN, you do write the most peculiar things.

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Are the cops racist or are some blacks in certain areas more prone to violence. Studies have shown that the latter is true when you break things down.

Why don’t you link the criminological research that shows that cops aren’t racist but that blacks are more prone to violence? What exactly are the ”things” that need to be broken down in order to arrive at this conclusion?The science part of my brain absolutely detests vague claims like the one in the above quote.

As I used to work in law enforcement I have read heaps of criminological ? and I have seen research that shows that socially marginalized and poor people are more likely to commit certain crimes and are certainly more likely to be scrutinised/attract the attention of LEO’s. But I haven’t seen any that shows that the color of ones skin determines the propensity for violence. Do you realize that claiming that people with black skin are more prone to violence than the lily-white among us sounds profoundly racist? If you make a claim like that, I think that you need to support it with evidence.

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