Why are nurses so angry?

Nurses Relations Nursing Q/A

Reading the forum in the past few months, a common thread I have seen is the anger. It does not seem to matter what the discussion is about or the level of nurses discussing it, anger is a common denominator. All of us have random days of extremes, anger, disillusionment, panic, sadness, and a host of other feelings. But anger sticks out and the need to place this anger on others. We need to vent, but why is anger a constant?

In a recent thread, nurses discuss the dealings with combative pts with drug/etoh  backrounds. So much fault placed on the pt. I am more then understanding of the difficulties in dealing with these people, but do ya think they do it on purpose?

When a professional nurse becomes so immersed in anger, it is time to change your specialty or take a break. We are not a perfect group by no means, but we get paid to deal with the best of the best and worst of the worst. It is not always easy, fun, or safe. We should not be abused or taken advantage of by our clients. We should be protected by our employers. We need to be proactive in getting our needs met and the needs of those in our care met.

When I see such young professionals so angry and disillusioned already, I have to wonder at the future of our profession.

It is not a profession one should enter to get rich, have great hours, vacations or benifits. It is one that is entered to care for others, teach and mentor. We have come such a long, long way in the past few decades, and we have far to go.

So, I guess my question to the population here, is how do we grow as a profession without all the constant anger towards each other, our clients and employers? Or can we?

Christine

Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.
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It is not a profession one should enter to get rich, have great hours, vacations or benifits. It is one that is entered to care for others, teach and mentor.

Christine

And iIve ALWAYS wondered at what point in history did we decide that in OUR profession--these two ideas are mutually exclusive?

Doctors seek both. Public employees seek both. Accountants seek both. Why have we accepted that in order to do all the good things we nurses can do we then must give up rights to good money, better hours vacations!!or especially benefits! I know I deserve them. What makes us so unique?

Uk wise - we may not get rich - but at least now under Agenda for change there is the realistic prospect of a Staff nurse taking home 30 K GBP without overtime / extra hours or without the rota from hell

vacation - 27+ 8 is good and it's on entry - extra long service days at 5 and 10 years i nthe NHS

benefits - the NHS pension is good , there are ways and means for clinicla staff to get consultations and investigations expedited - even if they are unofficial and everyone whether they work 7.5 hours / wk or full time 37.5 hours / wk gets pro rata benefits ...

hours - 37.5 / week and lots of places offering good flexible working patterns ... coming to the end of 10 days off without taking any leave at the minute ...

Reading the forum in the past few months, a common thread I have seen is the anger. It does not seem to matter what the discussion is about or the level of nurses discussing it,anger is a common denominator. All of us have random days of extremes,anger,disillusionment,panic,sadness,and a host of other feelings. But anger sticks out and the need to place this anger on others.We need to vent,but why is anger a constant?

In a recent thread, nurses discuss the dealings with combative pts with drug/etoh backrounds. So much fault placed on the pt. I am more then understanding of the difficulties in dealing with these people,but do ya think they do it on purpose?

When a professional nurse becomes so immersed in anger, it is time to change your specialty or take a break. We are not a perfect group by no means, but we get paid to deal with the best of the best and worst of the worst. It is not always easy,fun, or safe. We should not be abused or taken advantage of by our clients. We should be protected by our employers. We need to be proactive in getting our needs met and the needs of those in our care met.

When I see such young professionals so angry and disillusioned already, I have to wonder at the future of our profession.

It is not a profession one should enter to get rich, have great hours,vacations or benifits. It is one that is entered to care for others, teach and mentor. We have come such a long,long way in the past few decades, and we have far to go.

So, I guess my question to the population here, is how do we grow as a profession without all the constant anger towards each other, our clients and employers? Or can we?

Christine

I don't think it's so much anger as it is sheer frustration. We are frustrated. Most nurses, and all of the allnurses crew actually went into nursing to care for people. Otherwise, we would not come here to each other for support. And if we just "take a break" and "do something else", then who will take care of the patients?

It's not that simple. So, we vent and rant. But that's healthy for us to deal with our frustrations. Yes, we are tired of being abused by administration, doctors, family members, etc. We do this job we limited resources and they expect us not to be burned out? Ha!!! How amusing. When healthcare became a business instead of what is should be, care-giving, then that is where, as you say, the "anger" came in. Any nurse that's been in nursing for more than 15 years can tell you that it wasn't always like this. Hospitals didn't always used to be these hell-holes we're describing. People used to respect the nurse. Now it seems that patients and family member antagonize us. We are the enemy in they're eyes. Now, I'm not referring to ALL patients, but a lot of this is the case.

So, we are not going to lay down and take it. It is counterproductive for us and dangerous for our patients who we have sworn to practice in their best interest. If we don't act, things will never change. Sorry, that everbody can't understand that.

Specializes in Trauma ICU,ER,ACLS/BLS instructor.
I don't think it's so much anger as it is sheer frustration. We are frustrated. Most nurses, and all of the allnurses crew actually went into nursing to care for people. Otherwise, we would not come here to each other for support. And if we just "take a break" and "do something else", then who will take care of the patients?

It's not that simple. So, we vent and rant. But that's healthy for us to deal with our frustrations. Yes, we are tired of being abused by administration, doctors, family members, etc. We do this job we limited resources and they expect us not to be burned out? Ha!!! How amusing. When healthcare became a business instead of what is should be, care-giving, then that is where, as you say, the "anger" came in. Any nurse that's been in nursing for more than 15 years can tell you that it wasn't always like this. Hospitals didn't always used to be these hell-holes we're describing. People used to respect the nurse. Now it seems that patients and family member antagonize us. We are the enemy in they're eyes. Now, I'm not referring to ALL patients, but a lot of this is the case.

So, we are not going to lay down and take it. It is counterproductive for us and dangerous for our patients who we have sworn to practice in their best interest. If we don't act, things will never change. Sorry, that everbody can't understand that.

As u can see, I have been a RN for 28yrs. I remeber when. Nurses have evolved as well as the powers of healthcare. And please do not think I can not understand, I more then understand, I have lived it also. This is not a tit for tat. My thought was a result of what I see, hear,read and experience. Constantly being on the defensive is not always good either. It nis what it is. If we want to work and live, we either adjust,help change and facilitate what we can. One can be happy and be in a prefession that is struggling.

I disagree that we are not respected. We are one of the most respected and considered morally above most other profession. But think of walking in an ICU, a devistated parent or child, the first person that approahes u states that it is not visiting hours and u have to leave. Or they have that pissed off look that says "stay away". Think of calling for help for ur loved one and the voice on the speaker says,"ur nurse is busy and will be in when they can" ,u see someone walk by,ask them and they state "it's not my pt,sorry". We are a hurried,fast paced,overworked,underpaid,profession, and we do not always present ourselves well. What if that pt was ur mother,father,sister,brother,or child? That is what I would like everyone to think when a family/visitor wants them. Of course we can not always be there when they want,but we can be nice. We can be the difference between a bad situation and a good one.

Lets keep our anger and frustration here,in the breakroom or with friends. Not 100% doable,sure I know that,but we can try. Sorry,my world is like yours,I am no saint, but I damn well try and remember what it was like when I was on the other side,and it was my family in that bed.

Specializes in mostly in the basement.

Speaking for myself, I think I have understood your position from the first post and it sounds like we all actually agree. My frustration comes becomes I am UNABLE to care for my patients as I would want to care for a family member. It's not from lack of effort.

You say---We are a hurried,fast paced,overworked,underpaid,profession, and we do not always present ourselves well----and i agree. But if I don't have the resources(staff or equipment or otherwise) I'm not sure what more I can do. As a result of this thread I vow to always wear a big ole smile at work because that is about the only thing I can apparently control in regard to all of this.

Oh yeah, and keep reminding my family and friends to never come to my hospital--despite us making the big US News list. How do you get to be certified a stroke center when you don't even have a CT tech at night and they have to be called in and take more than 45 minutes to get there? Huh. Makes ya wonder.

I am proud of ever nurse who still shows up to work everyday!

As u can see, I have been a RN for 28yrs. I remeber when. Nurses have evolved as well as the powers of healthcare. And please do not think I can not understand, I more then understand, I have lived it also. This is not a tit for tat. My thought was a result of what I see, hear,read and experience. Constantly being on the defensive is not always good either. It nis what it is. If we want to work and live, we either adjust,help change and facilitate what we can. One can be happy and be in a prefession that is struggling.

I disagree that we are not respected. We are one of the most respected and considered morally above most other profession. But think of walking in an ICU, a devistated parent or child, the first person that approahes u states that it is not visiting hours and u have to leave. Or they have that pissed off look that says "stay away". Think of calling for help for ur loved one and the voice on the speaker says,"ur nurse is busy and will be in when they can" ,u see someone walk by,ask them and they state "it's not my pt,sorry". We are a hurried,fast paced,overworked,underpaid,profession, and we do not always present ourselves well. What if that pt was ur mother,father,sister,brother,or child? That is what I would like everyone to think when a family/visitor wants them. Of course we can not always be there when they want,but we can be nice. We can be the difference between a bad situation and a good one.

Lets keep our anger and frustration here,in the breakroom or with friends. Not 100% doable,sure I know that,but we can try. Sorry,my world is like yours,I am no saint, but I damn well try and remember what it was like when I was on the other side,and it was my family in that bed.

We are keeping the frustration here. We come here to vent. But it seems like that's not okay, either. At least that's what I perceived from you asking why nurses are angry. I know that these nurses don't say what they really would like to say to the patients, family members, doctors, etc. And you are not the only one that's been on the other side of the bed. I, too, have had family members in ICU, on the floor, near death. My father actually spent his last days in ICU. So, I know how it really is. But, just because we have loved ones that are sick, doesn't mean respect goes out the window. There is no need for patients and their families to antagonize us on such a regular basis. Especially when we are doing our very best with limited resources to care for our patients. I don't like that we have limited resources with which to do our jobs. And when the cookie crumbles, everybody: administrations, doctors, family members, etc., jump on the nurse. How dare they give us a fixed deck and expect us to win the game. We just can't win.

Unless we act to change things, it is only going to get worst. And if you cannot come and talk to your fellow nurses, who can you talk to. I know we talk to God, but we sometimes won't a physical answer from time to time. It helps us cope and, therefore, we can go on to die another day.

Specializes in ER, ICU, Education.

Chronic sleep deprivation.

Reading the forum in the past few months, a common thread I have seen is the anger. It does not seem to matter what the discussion is about or the level of nurses discussing it,anger is a common denominator. All of us have random days of extremes,anger,disillusionment,panic,sadness,and a host of other feelings. But anger sticks out and the need to place this anger on others.We need to vent,but why is anger a constant?

In a recent thread, nurses discuss the dealings with combative pts with drug/etoh backrounds. So much fault placed on the pt. I am more then understanding of the difficulties in dealing with these people,but do ya think they do it on purpose?

When a professional nurse becomes so immersed in anger, it is time to change your specialty or take a break. We are not a perfect group by no means, but we get paid to deal with the best of the best and worst of the worst. It is not always easy,fun, or safe. We should not be abused or taken advantage of by our clients. We should be protected by our employers. We need to be proactive in getting our needs met and the needs of those in our care met.

When I see such young professionals so angry and disillusioned already, I have to wonder at the future of our profession.

It is not a profession one should enter to get rich, have great hours,vacations or benifits. It is one that is entered to care for others, teach and mentor. We have come such a long,long way in the past few decades, and we have far to go.

So, I guess my question to the population here, is how do we grow as a profession without all the constant anger towards each other, our clients and employers? Or can we?

Christine

Just want to say thanks for this post.

Specializes in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro.

Well if you don't use or receive adequate ways to cope with the frustrations, we end up gnashing our teeth and getting well....

ANGRY.

Specializes in Leadership, Cardiac, Vascular.

I believe what we see is actually frustration coming out; not anger.

I believe that when situations become chaotic, unmanageable, and out of control, that we tend to respond accordingly. There are many philiosophical issues in health care today and one that I believe is at the core of it all is an inability to incorporate moral and ethical needs into the business at hand. Health care being guided by persons without that technical "care" education, tend to loose sight of the main reasons we are here. Not having a voice in decisions, not understanding the "why" of what we are being asked to do because of poorly trianed leaders, no one to carry our flag of pt needs causes frustration. We are torn between wanting to leave vs staying for the pt. How to fix it? One step would be honest dialogue in nursing schools. It's easier to "see" if you know it's coming. I also believe that nursing leadership growth is needed. :balloons:

You stated a very valid reason why there are a lot of angry nurses. You said we should be protected by our employers. Right there is the basic root of the anger. We are NOT protected by our employers. Most of the time, they will hang you out to dry if there is a problem, perceived or real. It's all about the money for the employers. They don't care about their staff, they can all be replaced with the latest batch of new nurses. It's not the new nurses fault, they come into this with the notion of making a difference and really loving what they do. The disillusionment comes later when they realize that they are cannon fodder and can be replaced with the next batch of newbies. Perhaps if employers took a good, long hard look at what nurses deal with on a daily basis, maybe they would change their position and truly protect their employees. You've been a nurse for a long time, like me. We've seen the changes that have occurred and not for the better. How we can make changes is unknown to me. Unless every single nurse in the entire country stood up at one time and said enough is enough, nothing will change. :o

Brava:yelclap::yeah:

Every time someone asks anything about why so many nurses are this or that, I ask if that person believes people in other professions don't share the same frustration. Do you really think that they are discontented retail workers, restaurant workers, accountants, teachers, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers out there? I'm sure there are. It just so happens that this is a nursing forum, so we don't hear from those other people here.

i agree, we're not alone. want to experience a good sample of the crosssection of our population go to your local walmart on any given weekend to experience aggression, frustration, rudeness...or call a "customer service" of any company at any tme, drive at times of high traffic volumn. but us (nurses) we are special. we on one hand are fundamentally caring, but on the other...hypocritic...maybe. we are obligated to put a good face on (hopefully true care) for those entrusted to us. although we too are human and these forums are the ideal place to indulge in our "anger" and to find some empathy. getting rich--ha--just makin' a livin'.

Beautiful Question.the Reason Y R Many.we Do The Best We Can.under Appreciated,ungrateful Family Members With Guilt We Deal With.,nasty Attitudes,ego Tripping Colleagues,back Stabbers,lazy Employees,short Staffed.etc I Can Go On And On But It Would Be An All Day Thing.

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