Why are nurses so angry?

Nurses Relations Nursing Q/A

Reading the forum in the past few months, a common thread I have seen is the anger. It does not seem to matter what the discussion is about or the level of nurses discussing it, anger is a common denominator. All of us have random days of extremes, anger, disillusionment, panic, sadness, and a host of other feelings. But anger sticks out and the need to place this anger on others. We need to vent, but why is anger a constant?

In a recent thread, nurses discuss the dealings with combative pts with drug/etoh  backrounds. So much fault placed on the pt. I am more then understanding of the difficulties in dealing with these people, but do ya think they do it on purpose?

When a professional nurse becomes so immersed in anger, it is time to change your specialty or take a break. We are not a perfect group by no means, but we get paid to deal with the best of the best and worst of the worst. It is not always easy, fun, or safe. We should not be abused or taken advantage of by our clients. We should be protected by our employers. We need to be proactive in getting our needs met and the needs of those in our care met.

When I see such young professionals so angry and disillusioned already, I have to wonder at the future of our profession.

It is not a profession one should enter to get rich, have great hours, vacations or benifits. It is one that is entered to care for others, teach and mentor. We have come such a long, long way in the past few decades, and we have far to go.

So, I guess my question to the population here, is how do we grow as a profession without all the constant anger towards each other, our clients and employers? Or can we?

Christine

Specializes in Med/Surge, Private Duty Peds.

Why doe we get angry as nurses? how about a night like last night at least 3 nights a week;

a 36 bed med/surge floor

25 pts on the floor

2 waiting to be admitted( as soon as we come out of report)

only 1 tech for 27 pts now

only 5 nurses ( one is an ICU nurse that got floated to our unit and by policy can only take a pt load of 4)

8 pts each for 2 lpn's

8 pts for the RN

charge nurse/ unit secretary/admit nurse

admissions calling wanting beds for 7 pts during the shift

15 total care pt's on the floor

5 with pegs that need flushing q 4 and feedings

1 cva on the floor

about 15 totally confused pts that are major fall risks

med/supply carts empty( from previous shift)

no IV start kits on the floor

I had to pick up 2 of the admissions( now up 10 pts)

blood sugars out the yazoo!!

Dr getting pissed caused I had to call for a bs >450( policy)

the whole floor wanting asst to the bathroom/bedpan at once( only 22 or so incontient and can't wait)

no linen on the linen cart

2 pts to prep for heart caths

asking the the house super for more help, get the reply" don't have any one to send so suck it up ":trout:

survived the night, only to have a doc come in get majorly pissed because at 2pm on day shift a pt's v-scan came back + for pe and day shift didn't call him.:nono:

I or the other 4 nurses didn't have a chance to go pee: o much less go through charts to see if anything major was missed.

so yes! I have a right to be angry, pissed, frustrated, ect, ect, because I can not take care of 10 pts and provide the care they need because mngt does not care and will not give us enough help the numbers don't add up according to their stupid accuity

oh by the way did I forget to mention that the very first pt I went to assess, cursed me out because her pain meds were not given at 8pm on the dot even though it wasn't time for them

so now that you know my story, at least I can come here and vent, pout, cry or whatever I need to do and get support because others know what I go through as a nurse.

thankya letting me get this off my chest!!

you guys here are great

Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.

I dont see any anger

of course I dont have my reading glasses on

But no anger

and certainly not from me

as long as I can GOLF you wont see any anger either

Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.

I don't live with a large amount of anger r/t nursing, mostly because like Tweety said, we can come here, vent and be anonymous. This is a safe place.

I am fortunate to work in a place with mostly adequate staffing and supportive management. I realize not everyone is so fortunate and so supported.

But I do work with a few nurses - not on my shift - who seem to be perpetually angry with the world in and out of the hospital. I agree with you that they need to get the heck out of nursing. I'm sure that the stresses of nursing exacerbate their issues, but I really think that they would be angry people if they were butchers, bakers, or candlestick makers (thanks, Mercy).

Specializes in Utilization Management.
I'm not one of the angry nurses. When you only work 32 hours a month, you can handle anything. If I stayed full time at my first job however, I would have been a burnt-out, frustrated, and irritable.

People also become angry when reality does not match what they have been led to expect. I doubt my grandparents asked themselves if they were happy or fulfilled in their work, they farmed because they needed to make a living. You worked hard, and expected little in the way of fulfillment, joy. Nowadays, people expect more from work than they used to, so people are more likely to be dissappointed and angry.

Great. Now nurses are supposed to adopt Grandpa's values in order to maintain the status quo of the broken healthcare system that we find ourselves in.

I'll say this gently: I'm not a maid, not a waitress, not a customer service rep, not a farmer. I'm a nurse.

I shouldn't have to suck it up and give my patients less competent care because of the poor working conditions created by facilities intent to run lean and mean operations.

My patient's life has been packaged into a unit of dollars and cents, and I can't take proper care of him because it costs too much to hire the appropiate numbers of nurses and I'm not supposed to be angry?

Did it ever occur to you that because the working conditions for nurses are so bad that all we really could hope to look forward to was the fulfillment of knowing we did our job well?

But we cannot do our job well any more.

Instead of toileting people, we insert Foleys. Instead of walking postops, we give them medications. Instead of giving a backrub or or a good bath -- nonmedicinal interventions for pain -- we're shooting them full of analgesics. Instead of encouraging po fluids, we insert an IV when regular po fluid offers could've been just as effective.

"Customer service" -- the do-whatever-they-want mentality -- has replaced good nursing because we no longer have time to teach our patients what they need to know.

When's the last time you could sit with a patient for 45 minutes to feed that patient? No, now we insert NG tubes or PEG because we no longer have time to coax the FTT patient into eating.

Nursing has changed and some things are for the better, I admit. But some things are not better. It makes me fearful and angry for my patients that proven nursing methodology has been thrown out in favor of cost containment.

OK, sorry for the rant. But you asked what made us angry. This is another part of the picture.

Specializes in ICU, ER, EP,.
rnperdiem said:
I'm not one of the angry nurses. when you only work 32 hours a month, you can handle anything. if I stayed full time at my first job however, I would have been a burnt-out, frustrated, and irritable.

people also become angry when reality does not match what they have been led to expect. I doubt my grandparents asked themselves if they were happy or fulfilled in their work, they farmed because they needed to make a living. you worked hard, and expected little in the way of fulfillment, joy. nowadays, people expect more from work than they used to, so people are more likely to be dissappointed and angry.

sadly, I feel that this is why we are "wrong", and I respectfully disagree with you. this is not the job, the menial labor of my grandparents, I'm not putting in hours to collect a paycheck. I'm caring for you're grandparents in the ICU. they are more to me than a paycheck, same as they are more to you.

I don't expect anything but my pay after hours worked... but I damn well will fight for adequate training for nurses, supplies staff ratio to take the best care of the people you love... and I will loose my job over it.... because the people you love, I love as my patients... and they are more to me, than a days labor. pray, you have a nurse with a different 'tude... when a family member is in the ICU.... because I bet you'll expect and demand better than you see as a normal days wage in grandmas day. that is no longer acceptable. you and your family deserve more... that's what were fighting for..... for you.;)

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
I don't live with a large amount of anger r/t nursing, mostly because like Tweety said, we can come here, vent and be anonymous. This is a safe place.

I am fortunate to work in a place with mostly adequate staffing and supportive management. I realize not everyone is so fortunate and so supported.

But I do work with a few nurses - not on my shift - who seem to be perpetually angry with the world in and out of the hospital. I agree with you that they need to get the heck out of nursing. I'm sure that the stresses of nursing exacerbate their issues, but I really think that they would be angry people if they were butchers, bakers, or candlestick makers (thanks, Mercy).

No... thank you! I knew barber didn't sound right, but I couldn't think of another profession that started with the letter "b"! Butcher! That's it!

Specializes in Trauma ICU,ER,ACLS/BLS instructor.

I totally appreciate everyone's reply. It is great to get everyones insite into my question. A big concern is how nurses address each others concerns.

Some of the above posts are examples of that. If we can not talk to each other about our fears,concerns,and work issues,without fear of nasty rebuttal ,then who can we vent to.

I started this thread to see what would happen after repling to another thread and having some rather bold replies. Agree to disagree,state ur point without being accusative or nasty. Be an adult.

My 28 yr career was ended as I know, it a sec,by another nurse's error and a pt's abuse. I really loved what I did,I have been angry and disillusioned many times, but always loved what I did. When one thing became overwhelming,I jumped ship and started a new specialty. Luckily enough , I have had a great run and am off again to learn something new and work within my limitations.

Thanks again all,keep them coming and most of all,have a great day!

Specializes in Emergency.
:owhy doe we get angry as nurses? how about a night like last night at least 3 nights a week;

a 36 bed med/surge floor

25 pts on the floor

2 waiting to be admitted( as soon as we come out of report)

only 1 tech for 27 pts now

only 5 nurses ( one is an icu nurse that got floated to our unit and by policy can only take a pt load of 4)

8 pts each for 2 lpn's

8 pts for the rn

charge nurse/ unit secretary/admit nurse

admissions calling wanting beds for 7 pts during the shift

15 total care pt's on the floor

5 with pegs that need flushing q 4 and feedings

1 cva on the floor

about 15 totally confused pts that are major fall risks

med/supply carts empty( from previous shift)

no iv start kits on the floor

i had to pick up 2 of the admissions( now up 10 pts)

blood sugars out the yazoo!!

dr getting pissed caused i had to call for a bs >450( policy)

the whole floor wanting asst to the bathroom/bedpan at once( only 22 or so incontient and can't wait)

no linen on the linen cart

2 pts to prep for heart caths

asking the the house super for more help, get the reply" don't have any one to send so suck it up ":trout:

survived the night, only to have a doc come in get majorly pissed because at 2pm on day shift a pt's v-scan came back + for pe and day shift didn't call him.:nono:

i or the other 4 nurses didn't have a chance to go pee:o much less go through charts to see if anythiny major was missed.:uhoh21:

so yes! i have a right to be angry, pissed, frustrated, ect, ect, because i can not take care of 10 pts and provide the care they need because mngt does not care and will not give us enough help:devil: the numbers don't add up according to their stupid accuity:angryfire

oh by the way did i forget to mention that the very first pt i went to assess, cursed me:angryfire out because her pain meds were not given at 8pm on the dot even though it wasn't time for them:o

so now that you know my story, at least i can come here and vent, pout, cry or whatever i need to do and get support because others know what i go through as a nurse.

:thankya::thankya: letting me get this off my chest!!

you guys here are great

i read posts like this and then go back to check the poster's location because i'm just sure that they've got to be at my hospital. but they never are. it's just downright scary to know that stuff like this is happening all over the country.

this is my second career. i don't know if i've got what it takes to start all over again.

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
It is not a profession one should enter to get rich, have great hours,vacations or benifits. It is one that is entered to care for others, teach and mentor. We have come such a long,long way in the past few decades, and we have far to go.
While I did not enter nursing for the money, I certainly expect to be paid for all of the services that I render to my patients. To put it to you as bluntly as possible, my lifestyle would suffer hideously if I shed my blood, sweat, and tears at the workplace on a regular basis for free.

In my opinion, there's absolutely nothing wrong with desiring a fair pay rate for all that we do. My body is fatigued and my mind is tiresome after the grueling 16 hour shifts that I work. While caring and compassion should be placed above all else, I'll readily admit that the money needs to be competitive in order for me to continue doing this. Nurses need to stop believing that money is inconsequential.

There's a lot of frustration in our profession for many reasons, it's easy to get a feel for what that is by this bulletine board, but I disagree that there's "constant anger". I agree that if someone is constantly angry then it's time to find another job.

Most of us are trudging along, expressing our anger and frustrations here where it's safe to do so anonymously (and often more strongly than we would in real life), but are getting it off our chest, dealing, but not in constant anger. We can't sugar coat it, we need an outlet.

My thoughts exactly.

This definitely applies to me.

there are many reasons nurses are have anger. years of suppression, abuse by management, low wages and poor benefits. nurses have been and are currently treated like slaves in some jobs they serve. not all nurses have a glorious position. most nurses realize the expectations we had when we first entered the nursing field, to make the difference we so desired, is a cruel joke. the time and energy we put into the job does not help our circumstances in some cases we harm ourselves. the more we work, the more we do, the more that's expected of us. there is no glory at the end of the road, there is not retirement plan unless it is self paid, and there is nothing there for us at the end of our long hard journey except a tired frail body. issues like this was not discussed or taught in the nursing school when i attended.

after all the hard work of studying, passing school, the money involved in paying for tuition, (some of us did not have benefit of tuition assistance, but paid full everything) there is still a big fat nothing. our bodies and brain wears out from frustration and defeat. we burn out, and no one cares. our nursing associations have been another cruel a joke. they support the hospital based issues, not the poor tired working nurse person.

we compare ourselves to other professions, and realize just how screwed we have been. (my drop out of high school child (later - ged) makes more money, gets faster promotions, and has more benefits than i do, and she doesn't work hard at all. our local garbage man (bless his heart) makes more money at $32.00 per hr., compared to my $24.09 per hour after my 35+ years. he will have benefits upon his 20 years when he retires. he works hard, don't get me wrong, but so do i with additional responsibility (life and death). he has the support of a union to back him up. i have the ana and my dog. i trust my dog more.

after all the anger and abuse, nurses stay because we know we are the best for the job. we know if we leave, no one else on the face of this earth can just step up and do our job. no one can replace our knowledge and skill base because they do not have the experience we do. leaving is not an option after all the time, energy and money that we have invested to get the job right.

will nursing change in the near future? no. sadly, it will never change unless we have a super support system. it won't happen in my life time.

we write to all nurses, because we need to support each other. we need to know we are not the only person on the face of this earth that feels defeated by the nursing profession. we need to know we do not suffer alone.

you said it sister, you said it.

Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.
My thoughts exactly.

This definitely applies to me.

Golf is my outlet, Surprise

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