I am taking classes towards my BSN because like other nurses with a diploma or ADN I am being "forced" to return to school for my BSN. I have had my ADN for 9 years. My question is HOW is statistics, critical inquiry, and the other classes going to make me a better nurse? Isn't hands on training the best way to learn? I feel like they are requiring BSN now and in 10 years want MSN so that we wont need doctors working on the floors, because nurses will do their own orders!!
I am 42 y/o and rally don't want to do this, but I have a minimum of 23 years left of working and had to be forced to stay where I am due to not having a BSN. Sure they say we may be "grandfathered" in, but that limits us to stay put.
Anyone have any input on this, as to what am I going to learn getting my BSN and why the requirement now?
Pretty much everyone seems to ignore nurses(and our needs) that don't work in acute care.
Not so.
Depending on the area and the home care organization, a BSN gives you a management, a staff educator, and case management opportunities.
This would be the case; you are in the same tri-state are that I work and reside in.
The BSN gives that flexibility that when cases get low, one can seek out a position at an insurance company and do disease management; a BSN and three years of home care experience can give one a position.
Depending on the area and the home care organization, a BSN gives you a management, a staff educator, and case management opportunities.
This would be the case; you are in the same tri-state are that I work and reside in.
The BSN gives that flexibility that when cases get low, one can seek out a position at an insurance company and do disease management; a BSN and three years of home care experience can give one a position.
It's NOT just "acute care".
I already said I don't want to be "the boss".
I think I want to stay in Private Duty.
I don't have any acute care experience,only psych,ltc,and home care.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
I was wondering the same thing. It seems this BSN argument is directed mostly at acute care.
Only for now. TPTB won't be happy until every last RN has either been pushed into unemployment, or had made the same kind of investment into their right to be an RN as the TPTB did.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Do you reccomend someone that's wants to be at the bedside forever or doesn't want to work in acute care(like myself) get a Bsn?
I don't have any desire to be the big boss nor any desire to leave home health.
Yes either a BSN or MSN. You are rolling the dice as to your future employment prospects if you don't. From what you have shared about your situation I would think you are in a position to take it slow, maybe spread it out over a longer time than others have.
Only for now. TPTB won't be happy until every last RN has either been pushed into unemployment or had made the same kind of investment into their right to be an RN as the TPTB did.[/quote']
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Wait, you first say both adn & bsn programs have the liberal arts component, then you say they don't. I'se confused.
Uh, no I never said anything of the sort. Read it again.
" If what was valued was a well rounded individual and a person with broader perspectives, then an ADN and a bachelors degreed RN would be the equal of a BSN. Both have pretty much the same nursing education, both have the philosophy, sociology, anthropology liberal arts education."
The two who both have liberal arts component are the BSN and the ADN who already has a bachelors degree. I guess I didn't spell it out but the liberal arts education that the ADN who also already has a bachelors degree would have been in their bachelors degree.
As for the large number of prior degree folks in that adn class, well, it'll be that much less work for them to go rn-bsn.
Maybe but the fact that they are not considered equal doesn't seem to mesh with your comments that a well rounded person with a liberal arts education is what is valued.
And i was speaking generally, a bs or ba in and if itself doesn't automatically equate to a well rounded liberal arts education
SO then a well rounded person with a liberal arts education must not be the motivation behind BSN only for RNs.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
And sinking in student loan debt
I imagine that since it is likely that the RNs who make policy at the ANA and AACN had to take on student loan debt they will want everyone else to as well. Hardly fair that some people have to spend $60K for a BSN at a university and some people only have to spend $10K and both have the same job and get paid the same.
I already said I don't want to be "the boss". I think I want to stay in Private Duty. I don't have any acute care experienceonly psych,ltc,and home care.[/quote']
The job that I described in my previous post is not a "boss" job; it's a position were you have a client base and you help educate pts about their disease process, your expertise will KEEP them at HOME.
Please google disease management or go to nurse.com; it's a CEU course.
Your experience PLUS a BSN will open you to those particular positions I described, that's my point.
I think some of the paper-writing issue is due to the number of programs that are online and/or classes held on campus in the evenings, once per week. When you don't have the ability to interact with the students live and to do activities in class ... and you don't have the ability to observe them in clinical settings, the most practical way to evaluate them is either by online tests or papers. That leads to an over-reliance on those 2 methods of evaluation.
Schools trying to maintain on-campus classes that would involve class activities and/or clinical placements as a group (with an instructor observing) would not be practical for most students and would be hard to maintain. So everyone takes the "easy way out" and relies on tests and papers to document learning -- less interesting for many, but more practical as a means of teaching and evaluating the bulk of the target audience (potential students.) If you had to spend 2 or mornings or afternoons per week on campus, you probably wouldn't go -- or if you did, you would find very few classmates.
Persons complain when BSN (bridge, undergrad or whatever) require too much clinical or classroom time because they "have a life" and cannot spend hours on campus..... To address this issue programs came up with various online or other independent study programs that allow students to complete required material at their own pace/in in their own time. Now we hear "I don't write papers...". Well guess what? Schools don't "write" degrees when mandated material is not completed to the satisfaction of state and or other mandates.
People, you've only got one tuckus, so you cannot dance at two weddings. Either you must physically attend classes or deal with papers/assignments; either way state requirements for the degree must be met, and that is just how things do be.
Do you reccomend someone that's wants to be at the bedside forever or doesn't want to work in acute care(like myself) get a Bsn?
I don't have any desire to be the big boss nor any desire to leave home health.
Just my opinion here; if you have no aspirations to ever do anything but private duty, don't bother. But stay aware of the job market changes in case your career aspirations change.
I predict that there will be more and more areas where BSN will be be required for acute care work; at least by employers.
I seriously doubt this will ever be a requirement for home health/PDN. The only exception might be (maybe) if you are being paid/reimbursed by Medicare/Medicaid or insurance and they change their standards. If you are private duty, being paid out of private funds, I doubt the standard customer would distinguish between an RN with ADN versus BSN.
I am 42 y/o and rally don't want to do this, but I have a minimum of 23 years left of working and had to be forced to stay where I am due to not having a BSN. Sure they say we may be "grandfathered" in, but that limits us to stay put.
I imagine that since it is likely that the RNs who make policy at the ANA and AACN had to take on student loan debt they will want everyone else to as well. Hardly fair that some people have to spend $60K for a BSN at a university and some people only have to spend $10K and both have the same job and get paid the same.
Hasn't anybody taken advantage of the tuition assistance of their employer PLUS their state's RN loan forgiveness or repayment?
LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN
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Not so.
Depending on the area and the home care organization, a BSN gives you a management, a staff educator, and case management opportunities.
This would be the case; you are in the same tri-state are that I work and reside in.
The BSN gives that flexibility that when cases get low, one can seek out a position at an insurance company and do disease management; a BSN and three years of home care experience can give one a position.
It's NOT just "acute care".