I am sure that I am opening a pandoras box here but I will probably not be visiting this website much longer.
I have been a daily reader for several years and I have laughed, cried and been educated by what I have read on this forum.
It seems that for a several months now, the majority of opinions on issues and problems in nursing are being addressed by:
1. Nursing students...
2. Pre-nursing students...
3. I want to be a pre-nursing student...
4. I thought about becoming a nurse once...
5. My mother, sister, cousin, neighbor is a nurse...
6. I talked to a nurse in the hospital once...
7. I watch Mercy on TV...
8. I read a book about a nurse...
9. I met a nurse in the grocery store line
10. I once saw a photo of Florence Nightingale...
Well, you get the picture.
I have absolutely nothing against students (obviously we all started out that way) and they at least have a handle on some of this, but until you have worked in the TRENCHES, you CANNOT even IMAGINE what nursing is like as a profession!!!! The exteme highs and the extreme lows! The Humor and the Horror!
I do not have an issue with non nurses reading all of the posts however, I draw the line at expressing opinions as if you had a clue.
So to all of the layperson nurse " wanna bees" PLEASE do not post your advice and snide comments, especially in the vent threads. I have read "Oh, wow, I sure hope I don't think or act like that when I become a nurse".... or "oh wow, that nurse actually laughed at/told off /or disliked her patient-how awful !" ....so many times I now just skip these responses.
The vent threads are for experienced professionals who have "Been there and done that" to relate and to commiserate!!!
There is a forum for students, maybe there should be a forum for non medical/nursing persons.
After all, the official website states:
"A Nursing Community for Nurses" and 400,008 nurses talking about nursing...
In closing, Where oh where are all of you seasoned nurses? Are we just outnumbered? or is it because we are too exhausted from actually Working as a Nurse to post???????
My two cents, and yes, I have almost 20 years of experience. And Yes, I guess this is a VENT.
i'm a student and if i reply on a nurse's thread it's because i think it may be nice for them to hear from a different perspective. just because i'm not a nurse (yet) doesn't mean i can't have an opinion on something...
i'm a student and if i reply on a nurse's thread it's because i think it may be nice for them to hear from a different perspective. just because i'm not a nurse (yet) doesn't mean i can't have an opinion on something...
As an 18yo how seriously would you take the opinion of a 12yo on dating and relationships?
And separate it into sub-sections: paprika seasoned nurse...thyme seasoned, Tabasco...honey lemon...Just so I know what I'm walking into.
Horseradish... for those of us who are not just "seasoned" but also "bitter"
We post, we just get drowned out. Frankly, if I see a vent thread and one "OMG! How can you be soooo MEAN to your patients? The track marks and yelling at you are just a cry for LOVE" kind of response... I'm outta there. I gave up reasoning with people in rose coloured glasses long ago. It just makes me look, well, horseradishy, and then I have to hear all about how I'm "eating my young" So I smile, bless their naive hearts, and wait and watch. Mind, you, I'm there to support them when realism smacks them in the face and breaks those rose glasses and guide them into a new world of real nursing.
Otherwise, I guess it's just that "general" nursing does not always appeal to me. I take RN to BSN classes and I've had it up to here with discussing nursing theories and what's right or wrong about nursing. As an experienced RN, I prefer to read clinical posts that enhance my knowledge of pharmacology and procedures.
Those clinical posts seem to be fading though... lost in the wannabe's and pre's. Much like what happened long ago to the CRNA forums. Of course we need wannabe's and pre's. Of course I was one. Of course I love to mentor them when I meet them in real life. I just am not interested in repeating myself in type as questions repeat. Especially when I know, in the end, some are asking questions that they are not ready to hear the answers to.
Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
The biggest problem I can see with having a forum only for exp. nurses is how can you distinguish who is really a nurse or not. Well without them having to give up a lot of privacy by maybe verifying a lic. But then how would that work with ex nurses?
Anyone can come and say they ARE currently a nurse and not be one, just to gain access to the forum and although I am sure in time "real" nurses could probably spot who isn't a current nurse or a nurse period, it would still be someones words against another.
I could come on and not say I am a student and act like I am a nurse. I can join under another name (and IP) and claim I am a Doctor or whatever I want. Their really is no way to disprove it. I wouldn't put it past some people to do this just so they can still go in the forum and post.
If this is done, I hope us students can still read, I get a kick out of a lot of the stuff I read and a lot of information as well.
I think the original post is not only accurate, but there is a preponderance of "prenursing" even more than students. I do see a spike in people who can't find jobs that just graduated, and definitely CRNA/APN wannabes who have yet to be admitted to nursing school lol. This only looks preposterous to soon to be grads, grads, and seasoned RNs. Nursing school isnt a step to be written off....my experience in nursing school is many people wash out of just the RN part...yet alone to get to the APN status which takes years of hard work (unpaid clinicals etc).
Specializes in ICU, PICU, School Nursing, Case Mgt.
Thanks to the replies from all of the various seasonings"...I myself am sort of a "Mrs Dash" type...a variety!
I want to reiterate...I stated in my OP that my rant was not really directed at students who are actually in NURSING SCHOOL/or to the new grads.
I just get frosted at the people who call themselves anything that has the word nurse in the title and they are pre nursing...or pre pre nursing...or thought about nursing...students.
I have precepted many actual students and have taught Clinicals in nursing school and I am always eager to teach. I really get a bang out of watching the budding nurses develop into full flegded ones...of course, in a few years they find themselves doing and saying some of the very things they swore they would never do!
I totally agree with you. If I see one more, "I would never do that." Or should I be an RN or LPN thread I will pull my hair out. I don't understand why nursing students or prenursing students, would think they could have any idea about what working on their own is like. Also, I'm going to write this in caps, yes I'm screaming! I AM NOT HERE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK. DON'T POST VERBATIM QUESTIONS FROM YOUR HOMEWORK! No hello is written, no I've tried and can't find the answer, just the question posted, chose a, b, or c. If I do your homework you are not learning anything. When it comes time for you to take your boards, I will not be sitting beside you and giving you the answers. Also, I don't care what you think about, smoking, junk food, or chubby nurses. Go be snotty to someone who wants to hear your opinion. I don't even read those threads. All they are is put down disguised as I really want you to listen to my perfect life. I have been a member here since 2000, this place has changed`so much in the last 10 years. I learned so much from here, but not lately. I've been dodging homework questions, thumbing through I want to be a nurse, but I got arrested threads, or I'm so smart they must all be jealous. RubyV pulls me out of the abyss once in awhile, only to be told she is mean, I love her posts. Please, someone save ALLNURSES!
I totally agree with you. If I see one more, "I would never do that." Or should I be an RN or LPN thread I will pull my hair out. I don't understand why nursing students or prenursing students, would think they could have any idea about what working on their own is like. Also, I'm going to write this in caps, yes I'm screaming! I AM NOT HERE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK. DON'T POST VERBATIM QUESTIONS FROM YOUR HOMEWORK! No hello is written, no I've tried and can't find the answer, just the question posted, chose a, b, or c. If I do your homework you are not learning anything. When it comes time for you to take your boards, I will not be sitting beside you and giving you the answers. Also, I don't care what you think about, smoking, junk food, or chubby nurses. Go be snotty to someone who wants to hear your opinion. I don't even read those threads. All they are is put down disguised as I really want you to listen to my perfect life. I have been a member here since 2000, this place has changed`so much in the last 10 years. I learned so much from here, but not lately. I've been dodging homework questions, thumbing through I want to be a nurse, but I got arrested threads, or I'm so smart they must all be jealous. RubyV pulls me out of the abyss once in awhile, only to be told she is mean, I love her posts. Please, someone save ALLNURSES!
Daytonite is gone, rest her soul. If RubyV stopped posting, this place would be that much less.
And separate it into sub-sections: paprika seasoned nurse...thyme seasoned, Tabasco...honey lemon...Just so I know what I'm walking into.
Just count me in the free range organic, no MSG added category.
(Yes, I love cooking with wine......sometimes I even put it in the food)
Why I do not post as much, oh let me count the reasons why (not).
- Your post bores me.
- I have nothing to add.
- Momma always said if I couldn't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
- I'm laughing so hard, I spilled dinner on my laptop and shorted it out (generally after reading several pages of the "My old ugly coworkers just hate me/fired me because I am too beautiful and perfect and the WHOLE WORLD is just jealous)
Why is it I read "Cinderella", that I now think that it is terribly biased and that I really want the "Ugly Stepsisters' side of the story".
- I am so tired of answering THE SAME QUESTIONS over and over again.
- Yes, you really do need to know the basic math (and it is BASIC GRADE SCHOOL math) to pass your pharmacology calculation exam with 100%. No, you do not NEED a calculator. And I don't care how nice and sweet you are, if you don't pass - You do not get to be a nurse.
- Yes, the VAST majority of nursing schools have STRICT GRADING POLICIES, that DO NOT round up, and strictly limit FAILING to two course once, or one course twice. And I don't care how nice, sweet, well-meaning you are....you knew this going in. You fail, you're out.
- I don't care how many ways you reword it, medical advice is medical advice, and we don't give it.
- No, you do not NEED to have your cell phone ringer on in class. Plenty of us raised children, in the stone age of healthcare, without them. And I don't care whether someone once told you that your "Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off" ringtone is cute...it is not cute when it goes off in a pt's room, and makes many of us think of you as a himbo/bimbo, even though we are too polite to say so.
- I don't care about Pearsonvue, and all sorts of "tricks" and "games" you do figure out whether you passed or failed the NCLEX. I don't care how many questions you answered or whether you are "positive" that you answered the last two wrong. And why are you FREAKING OUT that it has been 3 days since the test and the result is not posted.
GET OVER IT!!! Life as a nurse is about waiting. There is a reason that patience and patients sound the same and that they have a lot to do with our work.
I (along with many experienced nurses) took the NCLEX in an early February of a year that I will not name - a two day trial by terror, with hundreds of questions each day. And then we waited......and waited.......and waited for either a license or failure notice to arrive....several monthes later. NO PEARSONVUE, NO TWO DAYS - we had to wait, I received my license 11 weeks after testing.
- You do not have a "right" to have: long nails, artificial nails, soft silky hands, dangly earrings at work, rings on every appendage and orifice, or wear perfume. You are choosing the wrong profession for that. I regret that cramps your "style".
- IF I NEVER SEE ONE MORE THREAD ABOUT ADN vs BSN - deciding, differences in pay, phasing out of one or another, what is best for me in MY situation, which is better....it will be too soon.
- If you have committed a crime or indiscretion in your past or current history.....for advice as to how it affects licensure...CALL THE BON, REPEAT CALL THE BON.....they are the only ones that can give accurate answers.
- You need to do YOUR OWN HOMEWORK....and you call me mean, unfeeling and unhelpful....I don't care anymore....YOU STILL NEED TO DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.
- I am sorry that you come from a nation that has poor job opportunities. I regret that someone in your nation convinced you to go to Nursing school as a quick easy way out of that life....that there was a "shortage of nurses in the USA"....and that it was "easy" to come here.
They lied to you.
But we as nurses in this nation cannot offer you unlimited jobs/immigration.... we owe it to our nation to employ are thousands of unemployed nurses that are citizens here. If you have a problem with how hard it is to emigrate and work here, you need to complain to those in your past that lied and misled you. And correct the deficits in your own Country.
- Anything having to do with a nursing "shortage".
Anyone "experienced" have anything to add?
(Carefully counting down how long it takes for someone to complain about eating our young....)
Just count me in the free range organic, no MSG added category.
(Yes, I love cooking with wine......sometimes I even put it in the food)
Why I do not post as much, oh let me count the reasons why (not).
- Your post bores me.
- I have nothing to add.
- Momma always said if I couldn't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
- I'm laughing so hard, I spilled dinner on my laptop and shorted it out (generally after reading several pages of the "My old ugly coworkers just hate me/fired me because I am too beautiful and perfect and the WHOLE WORLD is just jealous)
Why is it I read "Cinderella", that I now think that it is terribly biased and that I really want the "Ugly Stepsisters' side of the story".
- I am so tired of answering THE SAME QUESTIONS over and over again.
- Yes, you really do need to know the basic math (and it is BASIC GRADE SCHOOL math) to pass your pharmacology calculation exam with 100%. No, you do not NEED a calculator. And I don't care how nice and sweet you are, if you don't pass - You do not get to be a nurse.
- Yes, the VAST majority of nursing schools have STRICT GRADING POLICIES, that DO NOT round up, and strictly limit FAILING to two course once, or one course twice. And I don't care how nice, sweet, well-meaning you are....you knew this going in. You fail, you're out.
- I don't care how many ways you reword it, medical advice is medical advice, and we don't give it.
- No, you do not NEED to have your cell phone ringer on in class. Plenty of us raised children, in the stone age of healthcare, without them. And I don't care whether someone once told you that your "Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off" ringtone is cute...it is not cute when it goes off in a pt's room, and makes many of us think of you as a himbo/bimbo, even though we are too polite to say so.
- I don't care about Pearsonvue, and all sorts of "tricks" and "games" you do figure out whether you passed or failed the NCLEX. I don't care how many questions you answered or whether you are "positive" that you answered the last two wrong. And why are you FREAKING OUT that it has been 3 days since the test and the result is not posted.
GET OVER IT!!! Life as a nurse is about waiting. There is a reason that patience and patients sound the same and that they have a lot to do with our work.
I (along with many experienced nurses) took the NCLEX in an early February of a year that I will not name - a two day trial by terror, with hundreds of questions each day. And then we waited......and waited.......and waited for either a license or failure notice to arrive....several monthes later. NO PEARSONVUE, NO TWO DAYS - we had to wait, I received my license 11 weeks after testing.
- You do not have a "right" to have: long nails, artificial nails, soft silky hands, dangly earrings at work, rings on every appendage and orifice, or wear perfume. You are choosing the wrong profession for that. I regret that cramps your "style".
- IF I NEVER SEE ONE MORE THREAD ABOUT ADN vs BSN - deciding, differences in pay, phasing out of one or another, what is best for me in MY situation, which is better....it will be too soon.
- If you have committed a crime or indiscretion in your past or current history.....for advice as to how it affects licensure...CALL THE BON, REPEAT CALL THE BON.....they are the only ones that can give accurate answers.
- You need to do YOUR OWN HOMEWORK....and you call me mean, unfeeling and unhelpful....I don't care anymore....YOU STILL NEED TO DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.
- I am sorry that you come from a nation that has poor job opportunities. I regret that someone in your nation convinced you to go to Nursing school as a quick easy way out of that life....that there was a "shortage of nurses in the USA"....and that it was "easy" to come here.
They lied to you.
But we as nurses in this nation cannot offer you unlimited jobs/immigration.... we owe it to our nation to employ are thousands of unemployed nurses that are citizens here. If you have a problem with how hard it is to emigrate and work here, you need to complain to those in your past that lied and misled you. And correct the deficits in your own Country.
- Anything having to do with a nursing "shortage".
Anyone "experienced" have anything to add?
(Carefully counting down how long it takes for someone to complain about eating our young....)
Thank you. Thank you oh-so-very much. Woops...I'm just a student but, my goodness, you hit the nail on the head.
(Carefully counting down how long it takes for someone to complain about eating our young....))
I agree with your thoughts on the matter. I also agree with a previous poster in that many of the topics I read aren't "New" to me anymore. I often feel that I'm seeing the same conversation over and over and most of the time it's either nur101 topics or something so bizarre that I roll my eyes and say to myself "there is no way that person is really a nurse"!
What happened to us sharing real life day to day issues? Like new meds, the great conference coming up or new technology available. I tried to have a conversation about using capnography in the ER,....I got 15 replies about "a day in the life of an ER nurse"! I'm sorry,.yes you have an opinion, but if you're asking me about how to get a job in an ER than your opinion on the capnography is not helpful to me!:uhoh3:
My two cents, and yes, I have almost 20 years of experience. And Yes, I guess this is a VENT.
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