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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think that the KKK does not meet criteria to be listed as a form of white nationalism? 

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Trump has, in many ways, united the emotions and efforts of divergent and dangerous far right groups and individuals. His mob in 0106 was an example of that diversity. We've seen this kind of sway over people before but the references make people uncomfortable. Mussolini and his rise to power is an interesting read.  I think there are some similarities to be found in the current state of American society and politics to that of Mussolini, don't you?

 

Definitely Trump favors Mussolini over Hitler.  Hitler was smarter then both but Mussolini loved the military parades as much as Trump.   It's definitely a worthwhile comparison.

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5 hours ago, Tweety said:

I'm getting a sense of deja vu because we talked about this.  But that the KKK endorsed Trump has been debunked.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/17/facebook-posts/image-shared-facebook-claims-ku-klux-klan-endorsed/

We've also discussed this about the Proud Boys.  Here's an opinion piece.  Trump told Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by".  But now apparently they mock him.

https://aninjusticemag.com/black-brown-proud-boys-provide-cover-for-group-s-true-nature-f2f40b18bf51

What the politifact article debunked was that a picture circulating on facebook of Trump and a Klansman was legit (it was a Trump impersonator).

But the campaign endorsement from an official voice of the KKK was widely reported and doesn't appear to be disputed.

6 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

The KKK? Have a citation for that?(considering I was chastised for citations in another thread). Or is this your opinion? 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-kkk/ku-klux-klan-newspaper-declares-support-for-trump-idUSKBN12X2IG

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

What the politifact article debunked was that a picture circulating on facebook of Trump and a Klansman was legit (it was a Trump impersonator).

But the campaign endorsement from an official voice of the KKK was widely reported and doesn't appear to be disputed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-kkk/ku-klux-klan-newspaper-declares-support-for-trump-idUSKBN12X2IG

I stand corrected.  

However, the campaign stated  “Mr. Trump and the campaign denounces hate in any form. This publication is repulsive and their views do not represent the tens of millions of Americans who are uniting behind our campaign.”

So while it's disturbing that the KKK would be praising Donald Trump your statement " Trump has in turn expressed at least acceptance of if not outright support for" this endorsement doesn't ring true.

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I stand corrected.  

However, the campaign stated  “Mr. Trump and the campaign denounces hate in any form. This publication is repulsive and their views do not represent the tens of millions of Americans who are uniting behind our campaign.”

So while it's disturbing that the KKK would be praising Donald Trump your statement " Trump has in turn expressed at least acceptance of if not outright support for" this endorsement doesn't ring true.

Tweety, what does the last sentence mean?   I think Charlottesville gives a truer picture of what is in Trump's head.  If he thought the KKK was so repulsive, why did he hire Steve Bannon or even bother to mention that there were some good people on both sides while the thugs were creating the violence they crave?  There were constant rumors about his father, Fred, an acknowledged racist, marching in a Nazi march in Skokie.  There us a picture that looks just like him at the march but his presence was never proven.  But Donald and Fred were forced by the government to clean up their act in their housing projects in Queens and allow black people to live in their buildings. Donald was a bad apple as a child and young man.  But when you see the tree he came from, he really didn't stand a chance and never had the drive or curiosity to better himself.  So Beerman and Chare, you can like the above post but Trump  PR people sending a message that Klansmen are repulsive sounds hollow after 1.  Being caught denying rental opportunities to blacks and 2. hiring a blatant racist for your campaign team...nah.  Your likes are a display of covering your eyes and ears to the truth. And here we are, suffering the consequences that were completely predicted before his election...especially the constitutional crisis part.  Bit you were busy listening to Fox and the Republican future Roger Stone and his ilk wanted....to make a lot of money.  Who are you two proposing for the Republican nomination?  Who will be the  intelligent foil to the progressive Democrats (who generally annoy me)?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, nursej22 said:

This interview from NY Magazine with the authors of a scholarly book has some interesting insights of what they call white Christian nationalism. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/white-christian-nationalism-is-a-threat-to-democracy.html 
 

 

You do realize that the Bible was written in the middle east correct? And that Jesus himself was most likely not white? 

9 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think that the KKK does not meet criteria to be listed as a form of white nationalism? 

proud boys

Trump has, in many ways, united the emotions and efforts of divergent and dangerous far right groups and individuals. His mob in 0106 was an example of that diversity. We've seen this kind of sway over people before but the references make people uncomfortable. Mussolini and his rise to power is an interesting read.  I think there are some similarities to be found in the current state of American society and politics to that of Mussolini, don't you?

 

No. No I do not. 

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2 hours ago, subee said:

Tweety, what does the last sentence mean?   I think Charlottesville gives a truer picture of what is in Trump's head.  If he thought the KKK was so repulsive, why did he hire Steve Bannon or even bother to mention that there were some good people on both sides while the thugs were creating the violence they crave?  There were constant rumors about his father, Fred, an acknowledged racist, marching in a Nazi march in Skokie.  There us a picture that looks just like him at the march but his presence was never proven.  But Donald and Fred were forced by the government to clean up their act in their housing projects in Queens and allow black people to live in their buildings. Donald was a bad apple as a child and young man.  But when you see the tree he came from, he really didn't stand a chance and never had the drive or curiosity to better himself.  So Beerman and Chare, you can like the above post but Trump  PR people sending a message that Klansmen are repulsive sounds hollow after 1.  Being caught denying rental opportunities to blacks and 2. hiring a blatant racist for your campaign team...nah.  Your likes are a display of covering your eyes and ears to the truth. And here we are, suffering the consequences that were completely predicted before his election...especially the constitutional crisis part.  Bit you were busy listening to Fox and the Republican future Roger Stone and his ilk wanted....to make a lot of money.  Who are you two proposing for the Republican nomination?  Who will be the  intelligent foil to the progressive Democrats (who generally annoy me)?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Charlottesville? Where he denounced white supremacy,  neo-nazi's by name? Condemned totally? 

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5 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Charlottesville? Where he denounced white supremacy,  neo-nazi's by name? Condemned totally? 

He referred to those attending a white supremacist rally as being "very fine people".  

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines domestic terrorism as violent, criminal acts which are committed by individuals and/or groups in order to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

WIki's article: Domestic terrorism in the United States has a list of US based Terrorist organizations  The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) was determined to be a "terrorist organization" in 1870 by a federal grand jury,

10/06/20 DHS: The Terrorist Threat to the Homeland

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Ideologically motivated lone offenders and small groups pose the most likely terrorist threat to the Homeland, with Domestic Violent Extremists presenting the most persistent and lethal threat.

 

 

March 11, 2022   Report to the Secretary of Homeland Security
Domestic Violent Extremism Internal Review: Observations, Findings, and Recommendations
U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Office of the Chief Security Officer

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Domestic Violent Extremist (DVE? An individual based and operating primarily within the United States or its territories without direction or inspiration from a foreign terrorist group or other foreign power who seeks to further political or social goals wholly or in part through unlawful acts of force or violence.   The mere advocacy of political or social positions, political activism, use of strong rhetoric, or generalized philosophic embrace of violent tactics may not constitute extremism, and may be constitutionally protected.  

  • Some DVEs have heightened their attention to election- or campaign-related activities, candidates’ public statements, and policy issuesconnected to specific candidates, judging from domestic terrorism plots since 2018 targeting individuals based on their actual or perceived political affiliations.

• Open-air, publicly accessible parts of physical election infrastructure, such as campaign-associated mass gatherings, polling places, and voter registration events, would be the most likely flashpoints for potential violence.

Among DVEs, racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists9 (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.

WSEs have demonstrated longstanding intent to target racial and religious minorities, members of the LGBTQ+ community, politicians, and those they believe promote multi-culturalism and globalization at the expense of the WSE identity.
Since 2018, they have conducted more letha lattacks in the United States than any other DVE movement

 

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3 hours ago, subee said:

Tweety, what does the last sentence mean?   I think Charlottesville gives a truer picture of what is in Trump's head.  If he thought the KKK was so repulsive, why did he hire Steve Bannon or even bother to mention that there were some good people on both sides while the thugs were creating the violence they crave?  There were constant rumors about his father, Fred, an acknowledged racist, marching in a Nazi march in Skokie.  There us a picture that looks just like him at the march but his presence was never proven.  But Donald and Fred were forced by the government to clean up their act in their housing projects in Queens and allow black people to live in their buildings. Donald was a bad apple as a child and young man.  But when you see the tree he came from, he really didn't stand a chance and never had the drive or curiosity to better himself.  So Beerman and Chare, you can like the above post but Trump  PR people sending a message that Klansmen are repulsive sounds hollow after 1.  Being caught denying rental opportunities to blacks and 2. hiring a blatant racist for your campaign team...nah.  Your likes are a display of covering your eyes and ears to the truth. And here we are, suffering the consequences that were completely predicted before his election...especially the constitutional crisis part.  Bit you were busy listening to Fox and the Republican future Roger Stone and his ilk wanted....to make a lot of money.  Who are you two proposing for the Republican nomination?  Who will be the  intelligent foil to the progressive Democrats (who generally annoy me)?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please tell me how blacks, hispanics, gays, trans, etc you can pick... were disadvantaged or suffered in any way by any of Trump's policies.

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6 hours ago, subee said:

Tweety, what does the last sentence mean?   

It means what it says: that Trump did not accept the endorsement of the KKK as Muno implied. Was I not clear?

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3 hours ago, Beerman said:

Please tell me how blacks, hispanics, gays, trans, etc you can pick... were disadvantaged or suffered in any way by any of Trump's policies.

Subee stated: "And here we are, suffering the consequences that were completely predicted before his election...especially the constitutional crisis part."   Which I presumed was a generic "we" rather than minority specific.

But since you asked, his tax cuts for one.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/11/business/trump-tax-cuts-white-americans.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2020/10/01/the-trump-presidency-has-failed-the-vast-majority-of-latinos-and-blacks/?sh=57e1f72658f1

HIs ban on transgendered persons from the military hurt those serving that were worthy of promotion and didn't get it for another.

But I suppose as was noted that one can always find a link to support your ideas.

 Moot point at this point.   In fact Trump is s moot point. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

 

No. No I do not. 

Then you should tell us what you believe that white nationalism includes and you should tell us who the KKK are if not a bunch of the earliest white nationalists that formed a lasting club. 

According to Merriam-Webster white nationalism is one of a group of militant white people who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation. I find it surprising that you don't believe that the KKK fits that definition.

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