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On 6/4/2022 at 8:48 AM, Justlookingfornow said:

Yes because Liz Chaney is completly non bias. I mean not at all. Just another person who hates Trump so much she throws out her integrity. 

So you found a person who "believes" there's a connection  but where is the actual evidence? If so abundant in the GOP, should be easy to provide at least one concrete example. 

As for Green who I do not like, I'd have to hear what she says about her involvment in the "America First convention" as well as research the group first. If in fact Green or another Republicans attend and practice any type of hate theology, they should be removed and/or voted out of office. As for a massive problem in the Republican party partaking in white supremacy,  this info ypu provide hardly proves that. 

I don't think you're using the term "bias" correctly.

Liz Cheney isn't a fan of Trump due to reasoning she has supported with explicit facts, that's not bias.  

She doesn't like Trump because he has expressed support for White Nationalist movements, has attempted to upend basic principles of the Democracy our country is based on, and has shown contempt for basic Constitutional principles, that's not "bias", that's a reasoned opposition.

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17 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

I don't think you're using the term "bias" correctly.

Liz Cheney isn't a fan of Trump due to reasoning she has supported with explicit facts, that's not bias.  

She doesn't like Trump because he has expressed support for White Nationalist movements, has attempted to upend basic principles of the Democracy our country is based on, and has shown contempt for basic Constitutional principles, that's not "bias", that's a reasoned opposition.

Yes. So she is biased because most of  the party does like Trump. It's no secret that she not only disagrees with Trump, she actually hates him. Her emotions in regards to him make it impossible for her to have an objective opinion. It's not an insult really, it's a human characteristic. 

You have some points, but you lost it at "white nationalists movements". That could be any Christian group that supports the 2nd amendment with old white men that have different opinions than democrats. So in democrats definitions, the entire Republican party that she herself is a member. 

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16 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Yes. So she is biased because most of  the party does like Trump. It's no secret that she not only disagrees with Trump, she actually hates him. Her emotions in regards to him make it impossible for her to have an objective opinion. It's not an insult really, it's a human characteristic. 

Liz Cheney has expressed her opposition to Trump based on fairly clear and objective explanations of the threat she views that he poses to the US.  That's not bias.  That's like saying someone who doesn't like Hitler because he's genocidal is just Biased against Hitler.

19 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

You have some points, but you lost it at "white nationalists movements". That could be any Christian group that supports the 2nd amendment with old white men that have different opinions than democrats. So in democrats definitions, the entire Republican party that she herself is a member. 

I actually wouldn't define a group as being "white nationalist" because they are Christian and support the 2nd amendment, those are two very different things.  

I would define a white nationalist movement as groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, and other alt-right, neo-fascist, neo-confederates, and similar groups that have endorsed Trump and which Trump has in turn expressed at least acceptance of if not outright support for.

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"You know, we are not in a situation where former President Trump has expressed any sense of remorse about what happened," Cheney said. "We are in fact in a situation where he continues to use even more extreme language, frankly, than the language that caused the attack. And so, people must pay attention. People must watch, and they must understand how easily our democratic system can unravel if we don't defend it."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/liz-cheney-January-6-insurrection-conspiracy-to-overturn-election-was-extremely-broad-well-organized/

I wouldn't say that Cheney "hates" Donald Trump and is blinded by that hate. But it does seem her language in her latest interview is a bit more extreme in nature.  Her committee has put in a lot of hours and I don't think she's making things up based on her hatred of Donald Trump.

I've said many times that I can understand the appeal of Donald Trump and his policies of low taxes, America First, de-regulation, etc. and what he accomplished.  Those are cornerstones of conservative policy that even Cheney supports.  But his refusal to concede the election, his undermining of the American Democratic process to me is unforgivable and I can not for the life of me understand why he is still a figure, that why candidates are parading around on stage with such a man trying to win his favor, that people believe he won the election, and there's a possibility he's going to run again.  

There are even people that are running for election on the platform that Trump won the election. I can't wrap my head around that and I completely understand Cheney's concerns about what is happening within her party.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/candidates-say-trump-won-2020now-running-oversee-future-elections-rcna26241

Still there is hope that some Republicans come to their senses.

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“I wish Trump would sit down and keep quiet. I think the country’s had enough of him,” said Perry DiLoreto, a prominent Nevada businessman and longtime GOP donor who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. 

In the state’s upcoming GOP primary for Senate, he ignored Trump’s endorsement of former Nevada attorney general Adam Laxalt and instead supported retired Army Capt. Sam Brown. 

“Donald Trump was a great example of somebody that had some good ideas and had good common sense. But to move any of those ideas forward, you have to know how to have civil dialogue with people,” DiLoreto said.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/republicans-brace-trump-primary-chaos-rcna31929?fbclid=IwAR3SQIHxZmEfJgoCjZERP2DOLK-rj5Rr7yJfChA9EAYZnhjQZwsn-44THYI

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On 6/3/2022 at 8:28 PM, NRSKarenRN said:

I read a wide variety magazines, websites, articles from across US AND hear from some Republicans in my area and on local TV/newspapers espousing these views.    A look outside your area might broaden your horizons.

Paul Gosar and MTG both spoke this year at the AFPAC this year.  

The GOP Is America’s Party of White Nationalism - Foreign Policy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/14/the-gop-I

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On 6/4/2022 at 11:43 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

 I will simply refer you to a member of the GOP who believes that there is a connection. 

 https://www.npr.org/2022/05/16/1099127039/liz-cheney-republicans-white-nationalism

Provide a couple slightly different perspectives...

https://www.businessinsider.com/every-republican-senator-block-domestic-terrorism-prevention-act-2022-5

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/04/gop-extremism-473806

And the reminder that these folks don't need me to identify them by name, they identify themselves.  Lots of people support those white supremacists today, at least with their votes and their silence, Greene just won her primary.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-leaders-denounce-greene-gosar-speaking-white-nationalist-event-rcna18050

And let's not forget that MTG has become the female notorious for anti-semitism.

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It's not quite fair to label Republicans as the party of White Nationalists just because white nationalists might be calling themselves republicans.  For the most part Republicans condemn this.  I am a bit disturbed that they turn the other cheek at some of the actions within their own party.    

To turn it around, the Communists are aligning themselves with the Democratic Party.   Still is it fair like Marjorie Taylor Greene says that Bernie Sanders to name a few swore an oath to communism?

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But there is also a long history of communism and radical leftwing politics in America, as leaders and attendees pointed out in Chicago.

“The story of our communist party is inextricably intertwined with the development of the American working class and building its labor movement,” Lozano said. “Our roots are in the profound American struggles for democracy.”

Lozano cited party support for the civil rights and anti-war movements, for battles against police abuse and mass incarceration, and for drastic action to combat climate change including the Green New Deal proposed by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, one of the faces of the young democratic socialist movement within the Democratic party.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/23/communist-party-usa-chicago-cpusa-convention

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10 hours ago, MunoRN said:

Liz Cheney has expressed her opposition to Trump based on fairly clear and objective explanations of the threat she views that he poses to the US.  That's not bias.  That's like saying someone who doesn't like Hitler because he's genocidal is just Biased against Hitler.

I actually wouldn't define a group as being "white nationalist" because they are Christian and support the 2nd amendment, those are two very different things.  

I would define a white nationalist movement as groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, and other alt-right, neo-fascist, neo-confederates, and similar groups that have endorsed Trump and which Trump has in turn expressed at least acceptance of if not outright support for.

The KKK? Have a citation for that?(considering I was chastised for citations in another thread). Or is this your opinion? 

Proud boys? The leader is Afro-cuban with very dark skin. Perhaps hes another "black face of white supremacy" like Larry Elder? Trump has denounced neo-nazis, white supremacist many many times. What exactly has he "supported, or accepted"? 

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I'm getting a sense of deja vu because we talked about this.  But that the KKK endorsed Trump has been debunked.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/17/facebook-posts/image-shared-facebook-claims-ku-klux-klan-endorsed/

We've also discussed this about the Proud Boys.  Here's an opinion piece.  Trump told Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by".  But now apparently they mock him.

https://aninjusticemag.com/black-brown-proud-boys-provide-cover-for-group-s-true-nature-f2f40b18bf51

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11 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

The KKK? Have a citation for that?(considering I was chastised for citations in another thread). Or is this your opinion? 

It's reasonable to ask for citations and for someone to back up what they are saying or even support their opinion if it seems wrong to us isn't it?

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This interview from NY Magazine with the authors of a scholarly book has some interesting insights of what they call white Christian nationalism. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/white-christian-nationalism-is-a-threat-to-democracy.html 
 

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And, in particular, I think here it’s important to understand this thing that we call the “holy trinity” of white Christian nationalism in the book: freedom, order, and violence. Which means a kind of libertarian freedom for people like us — “us” being, above all, straight, white, native-born Christian men — order for everybody else, which means racial and gender order above all else, and that kind of righteous violence directed against anybody who violates that order

 

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2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

The KKK? Have a citation for that?(considering I was chastised for citations in another thread). Or is this your opinion? 

Proud boys? The leader is Afro-cuban with very dark skin. Perhaps hes another "black face of white supremacy" like Larry Elder? Trump has denounced neo-nazis, white supremacist many many times. What exactly has he "supported, or accepted"? 

Do you think that the KKK does not meet criteria to be listed as a form of white nationalism? 

proud boys

Trump has, in many ways, united the emotions and efforts of divergent and dangerous far right groups and individuals. His mob in 0106 was an example of that diversity. We've seen this kind of sway over people before but the references make people uncomfortable. Mussolini and his rise to power is an interesting read.  I think there are some similarities to be found in the current state of American society and politics to that of Mussolini, don't you?

 

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