What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Justlookingfornow · May 23, 2022

1 minute ago, Tweety said:

I was merely pointing out that it was a thing, people have studied it and have wrote about it.

I don't have white male angst and honestly don't see much of it either in my day to day interactions. I do tend to associate with like minded people, mostly in my age bracket, and homosexual like myself.

Nor do I believe in spitting it out as an insult at every turn like some people seem to do. Nor do I think it explains everything going on. Assigning "angry white male" to people with conservative and right wing views is not right.

While I don't think it's widespread, it's still a phenomenon that is talked about. Our history is one of when someone wants to rise up and ask for equality, such as blacks in the 60's, women and homosexuals in the 70's, and transgenders in the 2000's it's met with resistance of those in power, I.e. white men (and often their women too). Today we think we've evolved but it's behind the white nationalists protests (very fine people on both sides according to Trump), "All Lives Matter", anti-immigrant sentiment and other issues. I also think in some respect it's behind "Make America Great Again" because people are pining for a different time.

Still, I'm not the expert, nor a sociologist and can't comment much more.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/27/michael-kimmel-masculinity-far-right-angry-white-men

I just feel singling put anyone by their race is a bad idea. Could you imagine if there were a study about black men and violence?

Fair enough. However Trump did not say white nationalist are very fine people. He went on to say he wasn't referring to the obvious white supremacist but the other protesters who were protesting to keep the monuments up, and the protesters who wanted them removed. There were a variety of races on both sides(for lack of a better term).

Trump has said allot of questionable things but this he did not.

However I do not imagine we want to get into this ancient history.

Justlookingfornow · May 23, 2022

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Can you clarify this because I'm about to call B.S. on that.

In an ideal world skin color wouldn't dictate privilege or behavior. But we don't live in an ideal world.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/us/living-while-black-police-calls-trnd/index.html

You think that the content of melanin determines our behavior as individuals? We can expect a certain behavior by the color of an individual's skin?

I wasn't referring to how people behave towards another race,I was referring to traits of the individual's race.

So it is acceptable to say," I'm white so my skin color causes me to (insert negative sterotype)" Or, I'm black so my skin color causes me to (insert negative stereotype)"?

Or white people are prone to "insert negative sterotype)" and "black people are prone to (insert negative sterotype)"? All by virtue of their skin color? So we can generalized a race by this?

I think you misinterpreted my comment.

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Can you clarify this because I'm about to call B.S. on that.

In an ideal world skin color wouldn't dictate privilege or behavior. But we don't live in an ideal world.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/us/living-while-black-police-calls-trnd/index.html

Justlookingfornow · May 23, 2022

18 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Can you clarify this because I'm about to call B.S. on that.

In an ideal world skin color wouldn't dictate privilege or behavior. But we don't live in an ideal world.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/us/living-while-black-police-calls-trnd/index.html

You think that the content of melanin determines our behavior as individuals? We can expect a certain behavior by the color of an individual's skin?

I wasn't referring to how people behave towards another race,I was referring to traits of the individual.

So it is acceptable to say," I'm white so my skin color causes me to (insert negative sterotype)" Or, I'm black so my skin color causes me to (insert negative stereotype)"?

Or "white people are prone to (insert negative sterotype)" and "black people are prone to (insert negative sterotype)"? All by virtue of their skin color? So we can generalized a race by this? There is a term for this, it's called, eugenics.

I think you misinterpreted my comment.

heron, ASN, RN · May 23, 2022

19 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Yes because it's the desire and enjoyment of old evil white men to attack women's rights for fun!

Umm … who buys all that stuff they’re selling? You know … the Big Macs, 80 inch TVs, SUVs, lots and lots of electronics … Even more important, who actually makes all that stuff? Don’t you remember the healthcare company who tried to get a legal injunction to prevent three of their employees from quitting their jobs?

How does a capitalist economy measure it’s health or success? In terms of growth, that’s how. The solution to a problem is determined by the definition of the problem. For a business, flattening profits are a problem. The solution is take more, make more, sell more.

So, my point is that profit (which happens to be great fun too) has everything to do with this latest attempt to get women to do what they’re told. We can’t afford a stagnant workforce or iffy profits.

It makes me think that muno might be onto something with his idea that the patterns examined by CRT might just as easily be explained in economic terms as well as racial.

Cherchez le buck, y’all.

Beerman, BSN · May 23, 2022

31 minutes ago, heron said:

Umm … who buys all that stuff they’re selling? You know … the Big Macs, 80 inch TVs, SUVs, lots and lots of electronic Even more important, who actually makes all that stuff? Don’t you remember the healthcare company who tried to get a legal injunction to prevent three of their employees from quitting their jobs?

How does a capitalist economy measure it’s health or success? In terms of growth, that’s how. The solution to a problem is determined by the definition on the problem. For a business, flattening profits are a problem. The solution is take more, make more, sell more.

So, my point is that profit (which happen to be great fun too) has everything to do with this latest attempt to get women to do what they’re told. We can’t afford a stagnant workforce or iffy profits.

It makes me think that muno might be onto something with his idea that the patterns examined by CRT might just as easily explained in economic terms as well as racial.

Cherchez le buck, y’all.

Triggered, much?

Justlookingfornow · May 23, 2022

1 hour ago, heron said:

Umm … who buys all that stuff they’re selling? You know … the Big Macs, 80 inch TVs, SUVs, lots and lots of electronic Even more important, who actually makes all that stuff? Don’t you remember the healthcare company who tried to get a legal injunction to prevent three of their employees from quitting their jobs?

How does a capitalist economy measure it’s health or success? In terms of growth, that’s how. The solution to a problem is determined by the definition on the problem. For a business, flattening profits are a problem. The solution is take more, make more, sell more.

So, my point is that profit (which happen to be great fun too) has everything to do with this latest attempt to get women to do what they’re told. We can’t afford a stagnant workforce or iffy profits.

It makes me think that muno might be onto something with his idea that the patterns examined by CRT might just as easily explained in economic terms as well as racial.

Cherchez le buck, y’all.

What?

How does this have to do with old white men trying to take away womens rights? For fun?

So they do this because they want to profit off all the women's work and want them to work more?

Well restricting abortion would only see that they work less due to maternity leave and have to pay more befefits. How does that make sense? Wouldn't they want more abortions?

Some sort of socialist rant?

There is no evidence of CRT being used in finacial institutions....

nursej22, MSN, RN · May 23, 2022

6 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

What?

There is no evidence of CRT being used in finacial institutions....

Are you for real? By its very definition, CRT attempts to explain, in part, the economic disparities between races. Surely, you’ve heard of redlining?

toomuchbaloney · May 23, 2022

6 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

What?

How does this have to do with old white men trying to take away womens rights? For fun?

So they do this because they want to profit off all the women's work and want them to work more?

Well restricting abortion would only see that they work less due to maternity leave and have to pay more befefits. How does that make sense? Wouldn't they want more abortions?

Some sort of socialist rant?

There is no evidence of CRT being used in finacial institutions....

Since you were the member who made the original comment about old white men... why don't you explain what you meant by that?

Also, please explain your belief about CRT and financial institutions. Do you think that CRT is only found in the public schools of states with conservative political leadership?

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 23, 2022

10 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Fair enough. However Trump did not say white nationalist are very fine people. He went on to say he wasn't referring to the obvious white supremacist but the other protesters who were protesting to keep the monuments up, and the protesters who wanted them removed. There were a variety of races on both sides(for lack of a better term).

Trump has said allot of questionable things but this he did not.

However I do not imagine we want to get into this ancient history.

No, I don't want to get into ancient history and I don't always like talking about Trump. My main point was the people in that March were an example of white male anger.

Fair enough, and I did think twice before putting that up about Trump and actually looked it up first.

What Trump said "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

He also said "There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before — if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones.”

Some people there were perhaps protesting the planned removal of the statue and they were good people. Perhaps it was a round about way of saying he supported the protest against taking down the statue.

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It’s possible Trump became confused and was really referring to the Saturday rallies. But he asserted there were people who were not alt-right who were “very quietly” protesting the removal of Lee’s statue.

But that’s wrong. There were white supremacists. There were counterprotesters. And there were heavily armed anti-government militias who showed up on Saturday. “Although Virginia is an open-carry state, the presence of the militia was unnerving to law enforcement officials on the scene,”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/08/very-fine-people-charlottesville-who-were-they-2/

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I just feel singling put anyone by their race is a bad idea. Could you imagine if there were a study about black men and violence?

I'm pretty sure there are studies about black men and violence. During our discussions here when the BLM protests were happening people talked about black on black violence. I remember hearing a rant from conservative pundit Candice Owens deflecting to some number about black on black violence. A poster here pointed out some study that black men commit more violence than white men.

So to answer your question, it really isn't all that difficult for me to believe that studies are done on race and violence.

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Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8
per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 23, 2022

52 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Surely, you’ve heard of redlining?

I'm willing to say that I didn't know what redlining is. I like learning new things.

What's the connection between redlining and CRT?

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 23, 2022

9 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

You think that the content of melanin determines our behavior as individuals? We can expect a certain behavior by the color of an individual's skin?

I wasn't referring to how people behave towards another race,I was referring to traits of the individual.

So it is acceptable to say," I'm white so my skin color causes me to (insert negative sterotype)" Or, I'm black so my skin color causes me to (insert negative stereotype)"?

Or "white people are prone to (insert negative sterotype)" and "black people are prone to (insert negative sterotype)"? All by virtue of their skin color? So we can generalized a race by this? There is a term for this, it's called, eugenics.

I think you misinterpreted my comment.

I suppose I did. I guess I just didn't understand the point either. Of course it's wrong to make a negative stereotype about a person based on their color. That's decency 101 and hopefully we're learning this as children.

Beerman, BSN · May 23, 2022

A "transexual pioneer" gave an interesting interview overbthe weekend.

"A transsexual pioneer and human rights activist criticized modern trans activists and said children are facing "indoctrination."

Buck Angel, a 59-year-old with gender dysphoria who identified himself as "a transsexual man," told Fox News that when he began transitioning 30 years ago, there was a system and structure that ensured he was certain about his gender identity. He said that process, to children's detriment, has since deteriorated."

https://www.foxnews.com/health/transsexual-pioneer-criticizes-modern-trans-activists-indoctrinating-kids