What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Beerman, BSN · May 23, 2022

7 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I'm thinking I meant people that are murdered after birth. Seems like people are more concerned about the unborn being killed than those killed by gun violence which far outnumbers aborted babies.

Um, that's a big N O. My goodness. Abortions far outnumber gun deaths.

You're not alone. I believe a vast majority of folks have no clue how many abortions occur per year in the US.

Justlookingfornow · May 23, 2022

11 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Um, that's a big N O. My goodness. Abortions far outnumber gun deaths.

You're not alone. I believe a vast majority of folks have no clue how many abortions occur per year in the US.

Definitely not "rare" as originally intended.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 23, 2022

17 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Um, that's a big N O. My goodness. Abortions far outnumber gun deaths.

You're not alone. I believe a vast majority of folks have no clue how many abortions occur per year in the US.

I stand corrected.

I also will correct myself that I meant late term abortions. I do confess that "far outnumber" is something I made up in my head as I know that late term abortions are rare from what I've been reading in relation to my posts here but don't know the number. For all I know they might outnumber death by firearms.

But to get to your original point gun deaths as a percentage of a 350 million population is indeed rare indeed. But I presume in numbers they out number late term abortions. But I might be wrong.

But yes, abortions in general are relatively common and you might be right that people aren't aware of how common it is. But it's common enough that the majority of Americans would like to maintain it.

But I do hope you get my point that we as a society have a segment of people are pro-life but go "meh" to gun deaths.

edited: I'll just use this article as a reference point. Mind you it's a 2015 figure.

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But late-term abortions are also very rare. In 2015, more than 400,000abortions took place in the US. Of those, just 5,597 (or 1.3%) happened on or after 21 weeks of pregnancy, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The vast majority (91%) of abortions take place at or before 13 weeks of pregnancy.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/07/abortion-late-term-what-pregnancy-stage

And this article referencing 2015.

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Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]. Those figures are likely to rise by several hundred, once incidents in the final week of the year are counted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604

I do apologize for not necessarily being clear in my posts today. Sometimes my fingers and my head don't jive.

Justlookingfornow · May 23, 2022

2 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I stand corrected.

I also will correct myself that I meant late term abortions. I do confess that "far outnumber" is something I made up in my head as I know that late term abortions are rare from what I've been reading in relation to my posts here but don't know the number. For all I know they might outnumber death by firearms.

But to get to your original point gun deaths as a percentage of a 350 million population is indeed rare indeed. But I presume in numbers they out number late term abortions. But I might be wrong.

But yes, abortions in general are relatively common and you might be right that people aren't aware of how common it is. But it's common enough that the majority of Americans would like to maintain it.

But I do hope you get my point that we as a society have a segment of people are pro-life but go "meh" to gun deaths.

I figured that's what you meant.

If I may offer a counterpoint....

Lori Lighfoot is more concerned with not being able to terminate pregnancies than she is with the atrocious gun violence in her own city.... With strict gun law no less!

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 23, 2022

27 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Yes because it's the desire and enjoyment of old evil white men to attack women's rights for fun!

Not for fun, but to maintain control. White male angst is a thing. In my opinion.

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These are men who exist in a country where men who look like them own most of the property, possess most of the money and run most of the businesses; where men who look like them sit in elected offices everywhere and create agendas and enact policies specifically meant to benefit men who look like them; where men who look like them are celebrated and amplified and exalted so frequently that it is literally news when those honors are extended to people who don’t; where they are never guests and where validation exists in perpetuity; where negative consequences for them are more of an idea—a theory, perhaps—than a reality.

https://www.theroot.com/why-are-white-men-so-angry-1823959497

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 23, 2022

12 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I figured that's what you meant.

If I may offer a counterpoint....

Lori Lighfoot is more concerned with not being able to terminate pregnancies than she is with the atrocious gun violence in her own city.... With strict gun law no less!

Fair enough. I think we as a nation have become numb to gun deaths. It barely makes headlines anymore when there's a murder, unless it's Fox News being concerned about violence in big cities, especially big cities with strict gun laws, which are generally democrat run.

Ms. Lightfoot current focus might be abortion, and it deflects from the crime in her city, but it doesn't mean she is more concerned about abortion than violence. But you're allowed your opinion.

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-shootings-mayor-lori-lightfoot-crime/11361564/

Justlookingfornow · May 23, 2022

51 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Fair enough. I think we as a nation have become numb to gun deaths. It barely makes headlines anymore when there's a murder, unless it's Fox News being concerned about violence in big cities, especially big cities with strict gun laws, which are generally democrat run.

Ms. Lightfoot current focus might be abortion, and it deflects from the crime in her city, but it doesn't mean she is more concerned about abortion than violence. But you're allowed your opinion.

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-shootings-mayor-lori-lightfoot-crime/11361564/

Fair enough. I am concerned with abortion restriction but it doesn't mean I don't care about the lives lost to gun violence.

Justlookingfornow · May 23, 2022

55 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Not for fun, but to maintain control. White male angst is a thing. In my opinion.

https://www.theroot.com/why-are-white-men-so-angry-1823959497

I don't understand the "white angst". Is it inherent in the melanin of European heritage? Do all Caucasian men have it? Or is it more in relation to a culture?

I not being antagonistic because I have allot of respect for you.

However, in my opinion asigning traits, especially negative traits, to a skin color is not a place we want to be. As we know from history.

I understand that for whatever reason, these types of things can be said about white people but would something like "there is a thing about black men anger" be acceptable?

I most certainly do not think so. Nor woukd I ever want to hear something like that.

If we tolorate discrimination of anyone, any race, then everyone and any race could suffer the same.

Beerman, BSN · May 23, 2022

10 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I don't understand the "white angst". Is it inherent in the melanin of European heritage? Do all Caucasian men have it? Or is it more in relation to a culture?

I not being antagonistic because I have allot of respect for you.

However, in my opinion asigning traits, especially negative traits, to a skin color is not a place we want to be. As we know from history.

I understand that for whatever reason, these types of things can be said about white people but would something like "there is a thing about black men anger" be acceptable?

I most certainly do not think so. Nor woukd I ever want to hear something like that.

If we tolorate discrimination of anyone, any race, then everyone and any race could suffer the same.

I'm a white man, closer to the older side than younger. I honestly have no concern about what color or sex has influence over whatever. I don't feel any "angst" over any of it. Neither do those other white dudes I associate with.

Funny enough, I don't know it for a fact, but among those here who would say "white male angst" is real include three older white males. Of course, however, they wouldn't include themselves.

Identity politics is an invention of elected Democrats, and sadly has been very effective among those who support them.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 23, 2022

I was merely pointing out that it was a thing, people have studied it and have wrote about it.

I don't have white male angst and honestly don't see much of it either in my day to day interactions. I do tend to associate with like minded people, mostly in my age bracket, and homosexual like myself.

Nor do I believe in spitting it out as an insult at every turn like some people seem to do. Nor do I think it explains everything going on. Assigning "angry white male" to people with conservative and right wing views is not right.

While I don't think it's widespread, it's still a phenomenon that is talked about. Our history is one of when someone wants to rise up and ask for equality, such as blacks in the 60's, women and homosexuals in the 70's, and transgenders in the 2000's it's met with resistance of those in power, I.e. white men (and often their women too). Today we think we've evolved but it's behind the white nationalists protests (very fine people on both sides according to Trump), "All Lives Matter", anti-immigrant sentiment and other issues. I also think in some respect it's behind "Make America Great Again" because people are pining for a different time.

Still, I'm not the expert, nor a sociologist and can't comment much more.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/27/michael-kimmel-masculinity-far-right-angry-white-men

Justlookingfornow · May 23, 2022

22 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I'm a white man, closer to the older side than younger. I honestly have no concern about what color or sex has influence over whatever. I don't feel any "angst" over any of it. Neither do those other white dudes I associate with.

Funny enough, I don't know it for a fact, but among those here who would say "white male angst" is real include three older white males. Of course, however, they wouldn't include themselves.

Identity politics is an invention of elected Democrats, and sadly has been very effective among those who support them.

It's totally bizarre. Skin color has nothing to do with how we behave, negative or positive.

It sets a very dangerous president to allow discrimination of any race. Even old white men(prefered target). As once it is tolorated for one group it makes it easier to do it to another then also easier to retaliate.

It really does go against the content of character not skin color value.

I know there are some here that probably believe you can't be racist to white people silliness and they can believe this as they wish. However allowing this also put the minorities at risk as well. Simular to the abortion restrictions, they couldn't even contemplate this as it goes against the rhetoric that white men are bad, to protect the very people they claimed to protect.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 23, 2022

3 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Skin color has nothing to do with how we behave, negative or positive.

Can you clarify this because I'm about to call B.S. on that.

In an ideal world skin color wouldn't dictate privilege or behavior. But we don't live in an ideal world.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/us/living-while-black-police-calls-trnd/index.html