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1 hour ago, heron said:

No … and I don’t know of anyone who advocates for abortion on demand up until birth. That’s a favorite mischaracterization beloved by the forced pregnancy movement … supposed to be some kind of gotcha, I guess.

Using your definition,  "Any unwanted pregnancy that the pregnant woman would choose to terminate but for the interference of another party", that is not a mischaractorization.  If a woman decides at 34 weeks that the pregnancy is unwanted, but the state says she can't terminate it, isn't that a "forced pregnancy", by your own definition?

How ironic that one accuses one group of mischaracterizing one side while using the term "forced pregnancy movement" in the same sentence.  Especially when they, by there own definition and statements, also believe in forced pregnancy once a certain time period passes.

1 hour ago, heron said:

The question of when the life of a fetus as a separate human being begins is at core of the issue.

I couldn't agree more!  This is where the debate should be.  Instead accusing one side of being for forced pregnancies, making women second-class citizens, or taking away women's rights.  

 

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44 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Using your definition,  "Any unwanted pregnancy that the pregnant woman would choose to terminate but for the interference of another party", that is not a mischaractorization.  If a woman decides at 34 weeks that the pregnancy is unwanted, but the state says she can't terminate it, isn't that a "forced pregnancy", by your own definition?

How ironic that one accuses one group of mischaracterizing one side while using the term "forced pregnancy movement" in the same sentence.  Especially when they, by there own definition and statements, also believe in forced pregnancy once a certain time period passes.

I couldn't agree more!  This is where the debate should be.  Instead accusing one side of being for forced pregnancies, making women second-class citizens, or taking away women's rights.  

 

Nope … didn’t you read my second paragraph regarding the limits on elective abortion? You’re tying yourself in knots trying to make my post say something it doesn’t.

Your post makes little sense.  You seem to be conflating the definition of forced pregnancy with the definition of the legal limits on when an abortion is legal.

The fact that a woman who would choose to terminate is blocked from doing so until after the legal limit has passed does not make her pregnancy magically become voluntary or intentional. If she initially consented to the pregnancy then, for whatever reason changed her mind at 34 weeks, then too bad, so sad. She needs to seek another solution to her problem. 

And, yes … the movement to prevent women from ending an unwanted pregnancy is most definitely a forced pregnancy movement and has nothing to do with reverence for life. As I said before, population is power.

ETA: I made no reference to “second class citizens”. My reference was to slavery … a completely different concept.

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2 hours ago, heron said:

Nope … didn’t you read my second paragraph regarding the limits on elective abortion? You’re tying yourself in knots trying to make my post say something it doesn’t.

Your post makes little sense.  You seem to be conflating the definition of forced pregnancy with the definition of the legal limits on when an abortion is legal.

The fact that a woman who would choose to terminate is blocked from doing so until after the legal limit has passed does not make her pregnancy magically become voluntary or intentional. If she initially consented to the pregnancy then, for whatever reason changed her mind at 34 weeks, then too bad, so sad. She needs to seek another solution to her problem. 

And, yes … the movement to prevent women from ending an unwanted pregnancy is most definitely a forced pregnancy movement and has nothing to do with reverence for life. As I said before, population is power.

ETA: I made no reference to “second class citizens”. My reference was to slavery … a completely different concept.

As a matter of fact, it is a war crime to rape women and then keep them imprisoned until the pregnancy is too far advanced for an abortion.  Russia and other countries consider it part of the business of a war.  But many anti-abortionists right here in the USA think it's a fine policy to force the victims of rape and incest to deliver the products of these crimes.   Having given anesthesia for high risk mothers,, is it OK to force a cardiac patient to deliver a child even if the pregnancy wouldn't kill her but could render her a cardiac cripple when she already has kids to care for.  Why it is righteous that any woman should be coerced to bring more misery into the world for someone else's religious beliefs?  We are now living in a theocracy. 

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9 hours ago, Beerman said:

 

Her comments were that she simply pointing out there are other options to abortion.

She certainly wasn't saying people should be forced to "breed" for others, or that anyone should be required to give up their baby after birth. 

A big mistake liberals are making and will continue to make is this kind of rhetoric, spinning, fear mongering and hysteria.  Fox News is already capitalizing on it and ready to focus on the negative aspects of protest.

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9 hours ago, Beerman said:

I suppose it's worth a mention, but I don't think Jill Biden visiting Ukraine isn't all that newsworthy. 

Protesters marching to the homes of Justices...that should be portrayed negatively.

I nearly spit out my water reading this.  She's not holding a tea party.  I can appreciate what one considers a news story but the First Lady of the United States visiting a war zone (not front lines obviously) is newsworthy.  Maybe not front page headlines, but it is featured prominently in every news source I use, except for Fox News that didn't mention it.  

Protestors at Kavannaugh's house is a lead story on CNN.  Interestingly it's the rock stars in Ukraine that are the main headline story on Fox News as I'm writing.  No mention of the First Lady being there but Bono is big news.  LOL

Of course you're entitled to your opinion.  

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19 minutes ago, Tweety said:

A big mistake liberals are making and will continue to make is this kind of rhetoric, spinning, fear mongering and hysteria.  Fox News is already capitalizing on it and ready to focus on the negative aspects of protest.

Got no problem with her presenting adoption as an alternative to abortion. Anyone who has participated in problem pregnancy counseling - including myself - has done the same thing. Got a big problem with presenting adoption as justification for blocking access to abortion. 

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32 minutes ago, heron said:

Got no problem with her presenting adoption as an alternative to abortion. Anyone who has participated in problem pregnancy counseling - including myself - has done the same thing. Got a big problem with presenting adoption as justification for blocking access to abortion. 

Agree.  I'm with the majority of people that want to keep abortion rights.  

What I'm talking about is the wire hangers, the "Does Hallmark make a Mother’s Day card for a 13 year old forced to have her rapist’s baby??", the fear mongering that "they are coming for interracial marriage next" (but I'm certain gay marriage is going to be challenged and stands a good chance at being overturned with this bunch),  the memes with the Handmaid tales, on and on.  People need to protest for sure but show some common sense.  

 

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25 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Agree.  I'm with the majority of people that want to keep abortion rights.  

What I'm talking about is the wire hangers, the "Does Hallmark make a Mother’s Day card for a 13 year old forced to have her rapist’s baby??", the fear mongering that "they are coming for interracial marriage next" (but I'm certain gay marriage is going to be challenged and stands a good chance at being overturned with this bunch),  the memes with the Handmaid tales, on and on.  People need to protest for sure but show some common sense.  

 

I understand what you’re saying, but the sad truth is that I don’t find such prognostications all that devoid of common sense. I have no doubt that significant civil disobedience is already underway, but what do you think will happen in states that choose to enforce a near total ban on abortion? Women with money will, of course, be able to buy access, just as they did before Roe v. Wade. The women without means are a whole other story. The networks looking to facilitate access, whether above or below ground, are hard to find or connect with, so are hardly an adequate resource by themselves.

I’m sorry you find the rhetoric so offensive … but it’s nowhere near what it must feel like to be forced to carry your rapist’s baby to term. What you are bemoaning is the lived reality of millions of women over the years. It isn’t fear-mongering to refuse to keep it quiet any more.

Not surprised at the reaction, though. Folks say the same thing when black folks talk of lynching and being targets of police violence. Be quiet. Don’t rock the boat. Don’t talk about anything that makes the power brokers uncomfortable.

Personally, I aim to misbehave.

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10 hours ago, Beerman said:

 

Barret and SCOTUS aren't saying that abortion should be outlawed.  Only that the states should decide for themselves.

But why should state legislatures be deciding health care decisions? Especially when there are some who seem to think ectopic pregnancies are viable or prevent a D&C after an incomplete abortion/miscarriage? 

Should the police be called on to investigate every miscarriage, just in case it was induced by the pregnant person? 

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3 hours ago, Tweety said:

I nearly spit out my water reading this.  She's not holding a tea party.  I can appreciate what one considers a news story but the First Lady of the United States visiting a war zone (not front lines obviously) is newsworthy.  Maybe not front page headlines, but it is featured prominently in every news source I use, except for Fox News that didn't mention it.  

Protestors at Kavannaugh's house is a lead story on CNN.  Interestingly it's the rock stars in Ukraine that are the main headline story on Fox News as I'm writing.  No mention of the First Lady being there but Bono is big news.  LOL

Of course you're entitled to your opinion.  

Here ya go:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/jill-biden-visit-ukraine-tour-eastern-europe

And I'm grateful each and everytime you reassure me that I'm entitled to my own opinion. Thanks. 

 

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9 hours ago, heron said:

Nope … didn’t you read my second paragraph regarding the limits on elective abortion? You’re tying yourself in knots trying to make my post say something it doesn’t.

Your post makes little sense.  You seem to be conflating the definition of forced pregnancy with the definition of the legal limits on when an abortion is legal.

Nope.  You seem to be the one twisting yourself into knots.

Again, your definition of a forced pregnancy:

"Any unwanted pregnancy that the pregnant woman would choose to terminate but for the interference of another party".

Isn't "legal limits" interference of another party?  What "other party" would you be speaking of?

If a woman wants an abortion at 34 weeks, but the state says she can't, by your definition that is a forced pregnancy.

9 hours ago, heron said:

I made no reference to “second class citizens”. My reference was to slavery … a completely different concept.

The first post here about the leaked SCOTUS decision made a reference to "second class citizens".  The reference to slavery may be more ridiculous,  however.

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1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

But why should state legislatures be deciding health care decisions?

Are you saying then that state legislatures shouldn't put any restrictions on abortion?

1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

Should the police be called on to investigate every miscarriage, just in case it was induced by the pregnant person? 

Where did you hear, and why would you believe that this would ever happen? 

 

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