What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

MunoRN, RN · May 9, 2022

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

Maher seems to be a liberal voice of reason, lately.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-roe-v-wade-abortion-scotus

And, on another topic, another case of a school going to far on transgender issues.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/09/school-reportedly-hid-students-gender-preference-from-parents/

How is that going "too far".

If a middle schooler doesn't feel comfortable sharing their gender identity with their parents, how is it the school's place to 'out' them?

The reasons why a kid may not feel comfortable sharing this could be they don't feel their parents would be supportive, but it could also be that they don't feel safe doing that, it's pretty clearly not the role of a school to put a student in a potentially unsafe situation.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 9, 2022

3 hours ago, Beerman said:

Many may not want full-term abortions to happen, but they are willing to accept that they will happen.

I suppose it isn't a stretch that this would happen if there are no restrictions government wise and it's up to the physician and woman. Still, doubtful many women would come up at 34 weeks and say "you know what, I've decided I really can't handle this baby, so I'll abort it" and find a physician that will support that idea. It could happen and certainly people that want less government would have to accept this.

A more likely scenario is for the health of the mother, and even Mississippi that will ban abortion safeguards the the month in cases like this.

nursej22, MSN, RN · May 9, 2022

Roe v. Wade restricted abortion in the last trimester of pregnancy. This hardly accepting abortions at 34 weeks.

Are there people in favor of letting pregnant people with eclampsia just die at 34 weeks, when the only treatment is delivery? What about the cases of fetal demise that does not spontaneously abort?

Beerman, BSN · May 9, 2022

39 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Roe v. Wade restricted abortion in the last trimester of pregnancy. This hardly accepting abortions at 34 weeks

Yes, I am aware. As someone who doesn't believe the govt should set restrictions on abortions, you must be looking forward to be able elect state legislative representatives who share your view.

42 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Are there people in favor of letting pregnant people with eclampsia just die at 34 weeks, when the only treatment is delivery? What about the cases of fetal demise that does not spontaneously abort?

I'm doubtful too many are in favor of such a thing. As for myself, I'm in favor of abortions being allowed up to a certain point. 16 weeks seems about right, but I could be pursuaded one way or another if there is a good argument to be made. And then after, some exceptions should be allowed for, such as for the health of the mother.

nursej22, MSN, RN · May 9, 2022

7 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes, I am aware. As someone who doesn't believe the govt should set restrictions on abortions, you must be looking forward to be able elect state legislative representatives who share your view.

I already have representatives who share my view. I just don't think they are the best qualified people to make such private medical decisions for all.

I also don't think they should apply the religious doctrine of one faith in blanket manner, such as stating life begins at conception.

Beerman, BSN · May 9, 2022

Just now, nursej22 said:

I already have representatives who share my view. I just don't think they are the best qualified people to make such private medical decisions for all.

I also don't think they should apply the religious doctrine of one faith in blanket manner, such as stating life begins at conception.

If they share your views that there should not be restrictions on abortion, they don't need to be qualified. I'm sure they'll try to pass unrestricted abortion legislation.

You should welcome Roe vs Wade being overturned as that case law didn't coincide with your beliefs.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 10, 2022

13 hours ago, Beerman said:

If they share your views that there should not be restrictions on abortion, they don't need to be qualified. I'm sure they'll try to pass unrestricted abortion legislation.

You should welcome Roe vs Wade being overturned as that case law didn't coincide with your beliefs.

It's my opinion that the poster is concerned about people outside her liberal states borders.

Also the overturning of Roe vs. Wade has opened up talks of a national ban on abortion. So the overturning of Roe vs. Wade isn't welcome.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/mitch-mcconnell-acknowledges-a-national-abortion-ban-is-possible-if-roe-is-overturned

A lot of conservatives are welcoming the idea that it's up to the states to decide abortion laws. It was said on this forum and I've read it several times on news sites. So it's interesting that a national ban is also being tossed around.

It does seem a bit off to me that someone in one state can get an abortion that's banned in their state of residence. There's also concerns that states will criminalize driving to another state, even the driver as an accomplice.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/abortion-travel-bans-emerge-as-next-frontier-after-roes-end

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 10, 2022

17 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Roe v. Wade restricted abortion in the last trimester of pregnancy. This hardly accepting abortions at 34 weeks.

Are there people in favor of letting pregnant people with eclampsia just die at 34 weeks, when the only treatment is delivery? What about the cases of fetal demise that does not spontaneously abort?

Or anacephaly? The mother is supposed to carry the baby to term just to watch it die within a few hours or days? 99 and 44/100 percent of people who have an opinion have NO IDEA what goes on in a hospital. Dunning-Kruger at it's best illustration.

nursej22, MSN, RN · May 10, 2022

17 hours ago, Beerman said:

If they share your views that there should not be restrictions on abortion, they don't need to be qualified. I'm sure they'll try to pass unrestricted abortion legislation.

You should welcome Roe vs Wade being overturned as that case law didn't coincide with your beliefs.

Why do I get the feeling that I've just been "mansplained'?

Tweety is correct. I care about the right to bodily autonomy for all Americans, not just my state. Liberals are funny that way.

Beerman, BSN · May 10, 2022

3 hours ago, Tweety said:

It's my opinion that the poster is concerned about people outside her liberal states borders.

Also the overturning of Roe vs. Wade has opened up talks of a national ban on abortion. So the overturning of Roe vs. Wade isn't welcome.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/mitch-mcconnell-acknowledges-a-national-abortion-ban-is-possible-if-roe-is-overturned

A lot of conservatives are welcoming the idea that it's up to the states to decide abortion laws. It was said on this forum and I've read it several times on news sites. So it's interesting that a national ban is also being tossed around.

It does seem a bit off to me that someone in one state can get an abortion that's banned in their state of residence. There's also concerns that states will criminalize driving to another state, even the driver as an accomplice.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/abortion-travel-bans-emerge-as-next-frontier-after-roes-end

I've read a few articles on what McConnel said. I don't see any evidence that the overturning of Roe vs. Wade "has opened up talks of a national ban on abortion", or that the idea of a national ban is being "tossed around".

I suppose you could argue that a state might try to prosecute a citizen for getting an abortion somewhere else. However, that seems unlikely. States have many differing laws, and there isn't much history of that happening.

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 10, 2022

On 5/8/2022 at 9:24 PM, Tweety said:

Agree. I'm with the majority of people that want to keep abortion rights.

What I'm talking about is the wire hangers, the "Does Hallmark make a Mother’s Day card for a 13 year old forced to have her rapist’s baby??", the fear mongering that "they are coming for interracial marriage next" (but I'm certain gay marriage is going to be challenged and stands a good chance at being overturned with this bunch), the memes with the Handmaid tales, on and on. People need to protest for sure but show some common sense.

Handmaid is ACB's chosen title for her cult. But if it isn't generally a term ascribed to forced pregnancy, I don't know what is.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 10, 2022

2 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I've read a few articles on what McConnel said. I don't see any evidence that the overturning of Roe vs. Wade "has opened up talks of a national ban on abortion", or that the idea of a national ban is being "tossed around".

I suppose you could argue that a state might try to prosecute a citizen for getting an abortion somewhere else. However, that seems unlikely. States have many differing laws, and there isn't much history of that happening.

No it hasn't "opened up talks" because it's not on the table until Republicans get a majority in the Senate, so that's not a good choice of words. But the leaked documents certainly has started the discussion.

We've had a 50 year history of Roe vs. Wade, so looking at history isn't a good gauge in what the states will do in my opinion. But like the idea of a national ban on abortion, people are talking about prosecuting people that get an abortion in another state as homicide. Whether it's likely to pass I agree doesn't seem likely. But after 50 years, even Kavannaugh in his hearing said that Roe vs. Wade is a long established law that will likely stand, and yet here we are.

2 minutes ago, subee said:

Handmaid is ACB's chosen title for her cult. But if it isn't generally a term ascribed to forced pregnancy, I don't know what is.

Can you clarify who "ABC" is and what cult? Thanks.