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9 hours ago, heron said:

And, yes … the movement to prevent women from ending an unwanted pregnancy is most definitely a forced pregnancy movement and has nothing to do with reverence for life. As I said before, population is power

I don't get it, and have a feeling I'm not alone. What does "population is power" mean, and what does it have to do with this issue?

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

A big mistake liberals are making and will continue to make is this kind of rhetoric, spinning, fear mongering and hysteria.  Fox News is already capitalizing on it and ready to focus on the negative aspects of protest.

They also keep focusing on the outlier cases one might want an abortion such as rape and incest, and less rare but still not  common medical reasons.  This when most Americans, and even Trump and McConnell have said that any kind of restrictions on abortion should have exceptions.

As you have pointed out, most citizens believe there should not be an outright ban on abortion.  We actually have more in common on this issue than we disagree on.  The hysteria going on, which I believe was the purpose of the leak, would make that hard to believe.

 

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5 hours ago, Beerman said:

Nope.  You seem to be the one twisting yourself into knots.

Again, your definition of a forced pregnancy:

"Any unwanted pregnancy that the pregnant woman would choose to terminate but for the interference of another party".

Isn't "legal limits" interference of another party?  What "other party" would you be speaking of?

If a woman wants an abortion at 34 weeks, but the state says she can't, by your definition that is a forced pregnancy.

 Yes, it is … what is your point? 

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10 hours ago, heron said:

I understand what you’re saying, but the sad truth is that I don’t find such prognostications all that devoid of common sense. I have no doubt that significant civil disobedience is already underway, but what do you think will happen in states that choose to enforce a near total ban on abortion? Women with money will, of course, be able to buy access, just as they did before Roe v. Wade. The women without means are a whole other story. The networks looking to facilitate access, whether above or below ground, are hard to find or connect with, so are hardly an adequate resource by themselves.

I’m sorry you find the rhetoric so offensive … but it’s nowhere near what it must feel like to be forced to carry your rapist’s baby to term. What you are bemoaning is the lived reality of millions of women over the years. It isn’t fear-mongering to refuse to keep it quiet any more.

Not surprised at the reaction, though. Folks say the same thing when black folks talk of lynching and being targets of police violence. Be quiet. Don’t rock the boat. Don’t talk about anything that makes the power brokers uncomfortable.

Personally, I aim to misbehave.

It's not that I find the rhetoric offensive, it's just that I don't think it's going to be all that effective.  

I never said rock the boat or to not protest.  But I will say protesting the Associate Justices at their home is not a good idea and is bad press.  

I have already stated days ago that a ban on abortion will disproportionately affect the poor.

I marched in the women's march after Trump was elected, but not sure how I'm going to protest as I've always stayed out of this battle.  

I did have to look for some back up to your claim about rape pregnancy affecting millions of women and I will acknowledge that pregnancy from rape occurs with significant frequency and abortion needs to remain an option.  It's a significant healthcare concern for the woman.  On an unrelated topic like adoption, the lack of medical attention post rape in the study I found is appalling.  

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The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/

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10 hours ago, Beerman said:

Here ya go:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/jill-biden-visit-ukraine-tour-eastern-europe

And I'm grateful each and everytime you reassure me that I'm entitled to my own opinion. Thanks. 

 

I knew there was a story and I stand corrected when I said they didn't mention it.  It wasn't on their front page while it was on the front page of other news sources.  Perhaps it was, and disappeared by the time I was looking.  Later what was interesting was that the rock stars was the most important headline at the top of Fox News at the top of their page.  Very doubtful the FOTUS got that.  LOL.

Anyway, I often like to comment on the differences in news sources.  It's not that important.  

I'm not sure that you're being sarcastic or not but I do like to acknowledge that when it's time to acknowledge another opinion and move on.  

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3 hours ago, heron said:

 Yes, it is … what is your point? 

Then according to you, any restriction on abortion amounts to a "forced pregnancy ".  Another poster asked why should the state be involved in healthcare decisions.

It doesn't seem to be a "mischaractorization", as you said, that many believe that abortion should not have restrictions. 

That is my point.

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9 hours ago, Beerman said:

Are you saying then that state legislatures shouldn't put any restrictions on abortion?

Where did you hear, and why would you believe that this would ever happen? 

 

Yes, I am saying that choices about reproductive health care should be between a person and their healthcare provider. That includes contraception, termination of pregnancy and gender affirming treatment.  Legislatures base their laws on religious doctrine not science, which varies between faiths, or is forced on atheists. 

There are stories in the media about women being accused of murder after miscarriages.  It's easy to imagine that with the laws offering bounties like Texas SB8 that this would become more common. 

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There is no question Democrats don’t like directly answering this question, which is telling — especially with the likes of Ryan and Biden, the latter of whom supported a constitutional amendment in 1982 that would have allowed individual states to overturn Roe. But as we confront the new political paradigm in what may soon be a post-Roe world, it might be better to seek clarity rather than put words in people’s months.

I'm not sure that "many" want unrestricted abortions but want to leave those choices between the doctor and the patient rather than the government making these decisions.  It does seem to be a sticky issue.

But to make a big deal out of rare and outlying cases and fear monger that "Democrats want abort full term babies" is not accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/06/biden-ryan-late-abortion/

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33 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I'm not sure that "many" want unrestricted abortions but want to leave those choices between the doctor and the patient rather than the government making these decisions.  It does seem to be a sticky issue.

But to make a big deal out of rare and outlying cases and fear monger that "Democrats want abort full term babies" is not accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/06/biden-ryan-late-abortion/

If one doesn't want the state to set a limit, then they would have to be willing to accept that abortions can happen at any time.   Nurse22 just above your post has made that clear that is where she stands.  Then you have the rhetoric and fear mongering, such as "forced pregnancy", and the unwillingness to state what limits should be.  Even here, no one has offered what they think a restriction should be.

I'll stand by my statement, but with a slight revision.  Many may not want full-term abortions to happen, but they are willing to accept that they will happen.

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Maher seems to be a liberal voice of reason, lately.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-roe-v-wade-abortion-scotus

And, on another topic, another case of a school going to far on transgender issues.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/09/school-reportedly-hid-students-gender-preference-from-parents/

 

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"Late-term abortion" is an example of rhetoric and fear mongering.. It's not a medical or legal term. 

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24 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

"Late-term abortion" is an example of rhetoric and fear mongering.. It's not a medical or legal term. 

Not really.  Its a descriptive term.

What would be a more comfortable term for you to describe an abortion that occurs late in a pregnancy?

 

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