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50 minutes ago, subee said:

The word "defunding" is pretty meaningless since most cities actually reallocated some of the policing money to social services such as housing.  Unless you go city by city through those locations that decided to decrease funding to officers on the streets, it's difficult to aggregate this data into any coherent pattern.  But the total cuts were a very small proportion of the budgets (1/88th) of the NYC budget.  In no world would a reasonable person expect gun violence to decrease during a pandemic during which guns were sold in higher numbers than ever.  It's only logical that they would increasingly be used to commit crimes and that more accidental domestic shootings would rise, many of them among children.

Indeed. Communities don't need to fund for police officers to respond to many calls for assistance from the public because police demonstrate over and over that they largely do not have the training or temperament to safely interact with citizens suffering from mental health issues. Those funds should be used to provide more appropriate assistance from properly trained professionals.  

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:
1 hour ago, Beerman said:

To focus on what is not rhetoric or spin, what will be the result of less police funding, and other liberal ideas such as publishing and announcing a list of crimes that will not be prosecuted?

Why don't you start that discussion by sharing what you know about the liberal ideas of changing the way public safety funds are used or about that list of crimes thing? ...

Charges for which the Default is to Decline Prosecuting (unless supervisor permission is obtained).

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

... A citation would be helpful because that last bit is not something that I'm familiar with at all. 

Shouldn't this be an expectation for all?

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

To focus on what is not rhetoric or spin, what will be the result of less police funding, and other liberal ideas such as publishing and announcing a list of crimes that will not be prosecuted?

 

I did say that it I think it would make fighting crime more difficult, but I have no idea.  I'd be interested in factual studies though.  

I personally did not think defunding the police was a good idea myself.  I think they should have found a way to address some of the issues around police brutality, fund other programs, especially mental health programs, without taking money away from the street.  I think a lot of governments did it in response to the massive protests at the time and acted in haste to appease this base.  

I think the corresponding rise in crime might have occurred anyway as it happened in areas where defunding didn't occur and is pretty much everywhere, every state.  It's probably proving to be more problematic in areas with defunding.  

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48 minutes ago, chare said:

Charges for which the Default is to Decline Prosecuting (unless supervisor permission is obtained).

Shouldn't this be an expectation for all?

Thank you for an additional source. 

An opinion article I linked to yesterday also spoke of liberal prosecutors promoting the fact that they will not prosecute certain crimes.

Apparently the member asking about this today didn't read it, but still found a way to criticize the opinion the author was sharing.

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On 2/20/2021 at 2:05 PM, guest1163268 said:

I really think he's bitten of more than he can chew especially with Aussies. They are very independent, stubborn people! 

Yup and that is why I get my news or knews from the Australian  channel etc. beats anything else.

 

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

I did say that it I think it would make fighting crime more difficult, but I have no idea.  I'd be interested in factual studies though.  

I personally did not think defunding the police was a good idea myself.  I think they should have found a way to address some of the issues around police brutality, fund other programs, especially mental health programs, without taking money away from the street.  I think a lot of governments did it in response to the massive protests at the time and acted in haste to appease this base.  

I think the corresponding rise in crime might have occurred anyway as it happened in areas where defunding didn't occur and is pretty much everywhere, every state.  It's probably proving to be more problematic in areas with defunding.  

Indeed, the growing violence is not directly related to police funding in the way that it's related to drugs, stress, untreated mental illness and a host of other societal issues that we seem reluctant to address in forward thinking or thoughtful ways. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207245/

 

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Thank you for an additional source. 

An opinion article I linked to yesterday also spoke of liberal prosecutors promoting the fact that they will not prosecute certain crimes.

Apparently the member asking about this today didn't read it, but still found a way to criticize the opinion the author was sharing.

It's helpful when you directly address me with your concerns or opinions about my remarks. Once again you make assumptions and claims about what I've read without bothering to discuss the content with me. The opinion was expected/unsurprising, is that a criticism or just an opinion?  We could have had further discussion but you seemed uninterested in further discussing the material and opinion you shared.

I wonder if you believe that only liberal prosecutors make decisions not to prosecute certain crimes? There's no clear evidence that prosecuting misdemeanors reduces future crime. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/03/29/metro/study-shows-no-prosecution-policies-may-work/

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2 hours ago, chare said:

Charges for which the Default is to Decline Prosecuting (unless supervisor permission is obtained).

Shouldn't this be an expectation for all?

Do you have thoughts about the content you linked to? Do you think that all of those crimes should be prosecuted most of the time?

I don't think all remarks or opinions require citations.  Citations are helpful when a discussion benefits from more or different detail or perspective or when there is disagreement on the topic.  

For instance, a citation wouldn't really be necessary if someone said that fascism is a form of right wing extremism whereas a citation might be requested if someone said that leftists were fascists. 

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20 hours ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Donald Trump endorses Mehmet Oz in Pa. Senate race

Very heavy negative campaign ads airing in PA against him running for PA Senator to replace Sen. Toomey. Especially since he has lived in NJ for over 30 years.

Pennsylvania Senate Republican race between Oz and McCormick turns ugly early

Mehmet Oz knows TV. Now his GOP opponents are turning Pennsylvania’s airwaves against him.

Sealed ----Oz has one less PA voter now post this pronouncement.

 

 

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20 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's helpful when you directly address me with your concerns or opinions about my remarks. Once again you make assumptions and claims about what I've read without bothering to discuss the content with me. The opinion was expected/unsurprising, is that a criticism or just an opinion?  We could have had further discussion but you seemed uninterested in further discussing the material and opinion you shared.

I wonder if you believe that only liberal prosecutors make decisions not to prosecute certain crimes? There's no clear evidence that prosecuting misdemeanors reduces future crime. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/03/29/metro/study-shows-no-prosecution-policies-may-work/

Our county court started a system (before George Floyd murder) of diverting young, non-violent offenders to a monitoring program done by the most experienced CASA's in the family court system.  If they completed it successfully, they could leave without a permanent record but if they violated any of the terms of the agreement, they we returned to the probation department.  So, they would count at crimes that weren't prosecuted but it didn't mean that the person got off without making a 6 months commitment to weekly meetings, etc.  !00% of these youthful offenders were very grateful by the end of the 6 months not to have a record.  Everybody wins.  The court system saves a lot of money.  Probation officers have more time to deal with violent offenders.  This essentially is a "defunding" program but also a successful one so why do so many people what to mess with what is already working in the name of propagating the culture war?

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5 hours ago, subee said:

Our county court started a system (before George Floyd murder) of diverting young, non-violent offenders to a monitoring program done by the most experienced CASA's in the family court system.  If they completed it successfully, they could leave without a permanent record but if they violated any of the terms of the agreement, they we returned to the probation department.  So, they would count at crimes that weren't prosecuted but it didn't mean that the person got off without making a 6 months commitment to weekly meetings, etc.  !00% of these youthful offenders were very grateful by the end of the 6 months not to have a record.  Everybody wins.  The court system saves a lot of money.  Probation officers have more time to deal with violent offenders.  This essentially is a "defunding" program but also a successful one so why do so many people what to mess with what is already working in the name of propagating the culture war?

These kind of programs have existed in many places for quite some time.  Many are successful.

How is this a "defunding" program?

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It's not often I agree with Al Sharpton and Joe Scarborough.

"Let me say it slowly for my Democratic friends in Washington, D.C.: Black voters are more conservative than you are, White woke leaders in Washington, D.C. Hispanic voters are more conservative than you are, White woke leaders in Washington, D.C., Asian-American voters are more conservative than you are … They’re more conservative on crime, they’re more conservative on education, they’re more conservative on these woke issues," he said." -Scarborough 

"They’re losing people of color because they really don’t get the people of color’s life. If you are living in a city, in a neighbor, that is inundated with crime, and you act like that’s not an issue you've already lost me. That is an issue," Sharpton said. "You cannot ignore when 12-year-old kids who is somebody’s niece and neighbor is killed, and you act like that's a nonissue because you're too elitist to live on the ground." -Sharpton

https://www.foxnews.com/media/al-sharpton-limousine-liberals-dc-elites-crime-real-world

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