What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[heron, ASN, RN]

32 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Any reason any of that can't be handled at home?

And, I misstated earlier,  it's actually third grade and below.  If the law is meant to marginalize students of certain backgrounds, why stop at 3rd grade?

 

None at all, just like straight cisgendered kids’ concerns, worries, freak outs, etc. However, considering the time, energy and money being poured into purging any material that might make straight, white (CRT, anyone?), conservative, cis-gendered kids and their families uncomfortable, it seems that the consensus is that what goes on in school is a pretty significant factor in kids’ socialization.

Which is what the legislation is really aimed at: making sure that kids are not exposed to anything that might lead them to ask uncomfortable questions. 

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

34 minutes ago, Beerman said:

May or may not be a good thing.  Do you have a link to the bill, or what state you are in? Based on the name,  I suspect there might me more that is putting parents "up in arms".

Thank you for asking. I live in Washington State. Here is a link to the bill: 

https://www.k12.wa.us/student-success/resources-subject-area/sexual-health-education/comprehensive-sexual-health-education-implementation

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In grades K-3, instruction must be in Social-Emotional Learning (SEL) - learning to do things like manage feelings, set goals, and get along with others. Instruction must be consistent with Social and Emotional Learning Standards and Benchmarks. (Note: there is no sexuality content required for students in grades K-3.)

Just one report about parents protesting again the bill: 

https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/hundreds-protest-bill-mandating-sex-ED-in-washington-schools/281-0aecc82f-d14a-4bd8-87d8-fb681653f997

And here is a link to a letter to the editor opining (falsely)  what is the bill: 

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/feb/06/mandated-sex-ED-wa/

On a mildly related note, my daughter who is on a local school board, has received death threats in regards to a book used in a primary grade school lesson. Do you think that sort of response is justified? 

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Any reason any of that can't be handled at home?

And, I misstated earlier,  it's actually third grade and below.  If the law is meant to marginalize students of certain backgrounds, why stop at 3rd grade?

 

The law doesn't change whether the child can get that handled at home, it affects what can be handled in the school.  Why can't the child ask a question or make an observation or explore a new insight in the school setting?

[Beerman, BSN]

12 hours ago, Tweety said:

Is this really a problem?  Do children really need to be protected from school teachers sexualizing young children?  Is "sexualizing" children at that age part of the a teacher's agenda?

Again, I have to ask is the problem based on reality or just fear and prejudice.

But yes, "Don't Say Gay Bill" is what people have dubbed it, like the "Anti-Woke Bill".  

But you're correct he's doing this for the parents that want it.  I've read some polls that it's a slim majority.  About 51% favor the provisions in the bill.  I've also read a poll that 60% oppose it, so I guess it depends on the ones asking the questions.

My final thought is that I think Florida is on the wrong side of history on this one.  Gen Z and millennials have shifted the discussion of gender norms and are more advanced in their thinking.  I understand they are also are the parents driving this bill but I think they are a loud minority with the ears of the church and Gen X and Boomer republican politicians, but that's just a feeling because it's well documented that younger people identify more as gender neutral and other sexual identities.  

Again, I acknowledge this young age the approach to discussion should it come up should be tailored and that sexual topics shouldn't be part of the agenda.  

But like when Florida took it to the vote for gay marriage I though we were on the wrong side of history and was on the loosing side, I accept this is now what it is.

Seems like it's a problem. With potential for bigger problems.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/florida-parents-sue-after-school-clandestinely-orchestrated-daughters-gender-transition

And

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/florida-parents-sue-school-district-over-daughters-secret-gender-transition

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

26 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Seems like it's a problem. With potential for bigger problems.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/florida-parents-sue-after-school-clandestinely-orchestrated-daughters-gender-transition

And

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/florida-parents-sue-school-district-over-daughters-secret-gender-transition

 

It does appear like the parents were left out of the loop but I'm too lazy to delve into it.  It's regarding a teenager, so not really relevant to this discussion.

I do think the click bait and the presumption that teachers are randomly selecting students to reassign their gender is fear mongering at it's best.

So again I wonder about the original statement " it protects kindergarteners to third-graders from teachers and other school officials who seek to sexualize children at very young ages."

 Are teachers sexualizing young children as part of the teaching?  Is it a problem?

While a sensational case will make the headlines and send fear into parents, if I were a parent I would be more afraid of male teacher, church, priest, camp counselors, than I would a teacher talking about a homosexual.  But that's just me.

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

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While a sensational case will make the headlines and send fear into parents, if I were a parent I would be more afraid of male teacher, church, priest, camp counselors, than I would a teacher talking about a homosexual.  But that's just me.

It's not just you...

[MunoRN, RN]

6 hours ago, Beerman said:

Seems like it's a problem. With potential for bigger problems.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/florida-parents-sue-after-school-clandestinely-orchestrated-daughters-gender-transition

And

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/florida-parents-sue-school-district-over-daughters-secret-gender-transition

 

I also found those articles pretty concerning, I mean how are schools consenting to gender transitioning medical procedures, hormone therapies, etc, without the parents knowledge, since it seemed like that's what we must be talking about.

When actually what happened was that the school allowed these kids to choose their preferred pronouns and the name they would prefer to be called.

If the 12 and 13 year-old children in these stories didn't feel like they could confide in their parents then it's certainly not up to the school go around the kid and tell the parents.  

I'm trying to wrap my head around the parenting going on here.  Your kid doesn't feel like they can share with you who they feel like they are, so they share that with someone they feel safe sharing that with, and then when you find out then it's the people that showed your child the tolerance they were seeking that you blame?  Maybe you're a *** parent, maybe that's the problem.

[Kitiger, RN]

5 hours ago, MunoRN said:

 I'm trying to wrap my head around the parenting going on here.  Your kid doesn't feel like they can share with you who they feel like they are, so they share that with someone they feel safe sharing that with, and then when you find out then it's the people that showed your child the tolerance they were seeking that you blame?  Maybe you're a shitty parent, maybe that's the problem.

More likely, the teen already shared their desire with their parents, and their parents disagreed. Parents should not do whatever their teen wants; that's not how it works. So, the teen went behind their parent's back. 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

1 hour ago, Kitiger said:

More likely, the teen already shared their desire with their parents, and their parents disagreed. Parents should not do whatever their teen wants; that's not how it works. So, the teen went behind their parent's back. 

Like I said, I didn't delve into the case that much.  Also most likely the teens turned to adults they trust more than their parents, yes it's behind their parents back but their parents rejected them or they feel their parents might.

 For me it's a bit murky.  But what I don't think happened is that the teachers decided to change a teens gender.

 A child confides in a teacher they feel they are non-binary, gay or trans and perhaps they want to change my pronouns to align with who they are (I'm sure a 12 to 13 year old wouldn't put it that way).  Is it then the teacher's job to say. "nope, you have to ask your parents and only your parents can decide your pronouns and I can't help you".  Or do the teachers support the idea ask what pronouns they would like to use and respect that and support them in making that happen?  If the teachers find the parent's attitude to be harmful to the child, to they protect the child's trust and anonymity or to they tell the parents anyway knowing the parents will reject the child.

One the other hand if the parents reject the idea and insist the child be called the pronouns they choose for their teen does that override everything.  Can a teen decide for themselves what gender identity they have?  Or can they only act like a cis gendered heterosexual because that's what their parents say they are, and to be otherwise is an abomination and sin.

Parental rejection of LGBT teens is a driving force behind teen suicide runaways and we're tying the hands of teachers to help them.  

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

Like I said, I didn't delve into the case that much.  Also most likely the teens turned to adults they trust more than their parents, yes it's behind their parents back but their parents rejected them or they feel their parents might.

 For me it's a bit murky.  But what I don't think happened is that the teachers decided to change a teens gender.

 A child confides in a teacher they feel they are non-binary, gay or trans and perhaps they want to change my pronouns to align with who they are (I'm sure a 12 to 13 year old wouldn't put it that way).  Is it then the teacher's job to say. "nope, you have to ask your parents and only your parents can decide your pronouns and I can't help you".  Or do the teachers support the idea ask what pronouns they would like to use and respect that and support them in making that happen?  If the teachers find the parent's attitude to be harmful to the child, to they protect the child's trust and anonymity or to they tell the parents anyway knowing the parents will reject the child.

One the other hand if the parents reject the idea and insist the child be called the pronouns they choose for their teen does that override everything.  Can a teen decide for themselves what gender identity they have?  Or can they only act like a cis gendered heterosexual because that's what their parents say they are, and to be otherwise is an abomination and sin.

Parental rejection of LGBT teens is a driving force behind teen suicide runaways and we're tying the hands of teachers to help them.  

The Florida law is about very young children - not about teenagers. That's why it is such a stupid law.  If the adult teachers were REALLY sexualizing young children....well, that's why adults end up in court.  Ron DeSantis is obsesses with sex methinks...as are many other religious zealots.

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

Speaking of Florida and speaking of education.  Florida joins 20 other states in requiring financial management as a requirement of graduation.  I don't disapprove.

Although I had to chuckle at the skill of balancing a checkbook.  I just check my balance, have bills paid automatically, and use electronic ways of paying via Amazon, GooglePay on my phone, and my debit card.  I haven't sat down and balanced a checkbook in probably 20 years since I went paperless and check balances online.  

I also don't sit down and "pay bills", it's all automatic.  Even things like my AAA membership, my car insurance every six months, and various subscriptions.  The only thing I pay is my Amazon credit card.   I use it instead of my debit because I want the points.  

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/23/florida-becomes-largest-state-to-mandate-personal-finance-education-.html?fbclid=IwAR1Gv2zKhzHaPNle2e49zB2yut-uWTEarBJ2J86Hdx-B-5SIgdDpo3ITKUA

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Speaking of Florida and speaking of education.  Florida joins 20 other states in requiring financial management as a requirement of graduation.  I don't disapprove.

Although I had to chuckle at the skill of balancing a checkbook.  I just check my balance, have bills paid automatically, and use electronic ways of paying via Amazon, GooglePay on my phone, and my debit card.  I haven't sat down and balanced a checkbook in probably 20 years since I went paperless and check balances online.  

I also don't sit down and "pay bills", it's all automatic.  Even things like my AAA membership, my car insurance every six months, and various subscriptions.  The only thing I pay is my Amazon credit card.   I use it instead of my debit because I want the points.  

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/23/florida-becomes-largest-state-to-mandate-personal-finance-education-.html?fbclid=IwAR1Gv2zKhzHaPNle2e49zB2yut-uWTEarBJ2J86Hdx-B-5SIgdDpo3ITKUA

This made me chuckle. 

When I was in high-school, nearly 60 years ago, my sister took home economics and learned to balance a checkbook, plan and shop for meals within a budget, and turn pennies into a cake.  I took what was generally called "shop" which meant that I learned how to use common tools to do common things.  

I also manage my finances as you do.