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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

When confronted with examples of federal subsidies of private business and industry which challenge your beliefs you have pivoted the focus now to public education.  Are your "differing views" supported by anything other than right wing rhetoric?

I didn't pivot away from anything.  Lets start with, I said higher education, not public education.

Care to try again?

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44 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I didn't pivot away from anything.  Lets start with, I said higher education, not public education.

Care to try again?

Public colleges typically have lower tuition and room/board costs than do private institutions of higher learning. Those private colleges often have much more generous and better funded scholarship programs, however.  

What is the point that you are trying to make about federal aid to higher education? 

Maybe you should try again. 

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FEMA cuts wanted!  What Trump can and can’t do with FEMA money | McClatchy Washington Bureau (mcclatchydc.com)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-pulling-millions-fema-disaster-relief-send-southern-border-n104669

Yep.  Just continue to shoot the messenger.......

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28 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Public colleges typically have lower tuition and room/board costs than do private institutions of higher learning. Those private colleges often have much more generous and better funded scholarship programs, however.  

What is the point that you are trying to make about federal aid to higher education? 

Maybe you should try again. 

Thanks for the explanation of the difference in cost between public and private colleges.  Has zero to do with our discussion, but it's a nice attempt at covering your faux paus.

Anyway,  I used higher education as an example because informed people would know how drastically those costs have increased over the last 30 years or so, and the effect govt subsidies in the form of easy to obtain loans and grants have played a big part in that.

Nevermind.  Not here to debate that.  The point is, if you give poor and lower middle class families subsidies to pay for child care, the demand is going to increase.  That's going to drive up costs.   If you don't get that, you can probably you tube basic economic principles to help you understand. 

I'll be proven to be right, or maybe wrong.   Either way, not sure why youre so triggered (borrowing your term) by my opinion.

 

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, subee said:

FEMA cuts wanted!  What Trump can and can’t do with FEMA money | McClatchy Washington Bureau (mcclatchydc.com)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-pulling-millions-fema-disaster-relief-send-southern-border-n104669

Yep.  Just continue to shoot the messenger.......

You link is not working.

But, you'll be glad to know Trump can't touch FEMA money.

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13 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Thanks for the explanation of the difference in cost between public and private colleges.  Has zero to do with our discussion, but it's a nice attempt at covering your faux paus.

Anyway,  I used higher education as an example because informed people would know how drastically those costs have increased over the last 30 years or so, and the effect govt subsidies in the form of easy to obtain loans and grants have played a big part in that.

Nevermind.  Not here to debate that.  The point is, if you give poor and lower middle class families subsidies to pay for child care, the demand is going to increase.  That's going to drive up costs.   If you don't get that, you can probably you tube basic economic principles to help you understand. 

I'll be proven to be right, or maybe wrong.   Either way, not sure why youre so triggered (borrowing your term) by my opinion.

 

 

 

 

Well now you are actually trying to make a point rather than just lobbing words. 

It is true that a cogent case can be made that government funding for financial aid has contributed to the cost increases in education. Requirements for college degrees, from public sector business and industry also contributes to this increase in demand.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/12/employers-are-looking-for-job-candidates-in-the-wrong-places/549080/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2017/12/20/why-employers-must-stop-requiring-college-degrees-for-middle-skill-jobs/

Perhaps you don't think that the current situation has highlighted a significant need that exists for a large workforce in this country...the working poor parents and single mothers.  I do know that some very conservative individuals would prefer for women to return to the primary role of homemaker and stay at home mom. High cost and poor access to childcare certainly keeps some single poor mothers out of the workforce. I don't think that's your goal. But we see right now that there are still lots of women who have not returned to the workforce because they have no where for their kids to go when they cannot be in public school. 

Trying to get you to actually make a point rather than trying to goad a liberal is not really the same thing as being triggered.  

 

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56 minutes ago, subee said:

FEMA cuts wanted!  What Trump can and can’t do with FEMA money | McClatchy Washington Bureau (mcclatchydc.com)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-pulling-millions-fema-disaster-relief-send-southern-border-n104669

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How is what Mr. Trump might have wanted to do with FEMA pertinent now, considering that he's been out of office nearly a year.

And, your link is broken.

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11 minutes ago, chare said:

How is what Mr. Trump might have wanted to do with FEMA pertinent now, considering that he's been out of office nearly a year.

And, your link is broken.

Because it may be affecting the people who are suffering from the tornados.  Departments that were deminished or razed (HUD) have to be put back together again.

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14 minutes ago, chare said:

How is what Mr. Trump might have wanted to do with FEMA pertinent now, considering that he's been out of office nearly a year.

And, your link is broken.

Here's a working link. 

 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-pulling-millions-fema-disaster-relief-send-southern-border-n1046691

If we're discussing differing views on federal disaster response, then I'm not sure how the Republican view (based on recent actions), isn't relevant.

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27 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Well now you are actually trying to make a point rather than just lobbing words. 

It is true that a cogent case can be made that government funding for financial aid has contributed to the cost increases in education. Requirements for college degrees, from public sector business and industry also contributes to this increase in demand.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/12/employers-are-looking-for-job-candidates-in-the-wrong-places/549080/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2017/12/20/why-employers-must-stop-requiring-college-degrees-for-middle-skill-jobs/

Perhaps you don't think that the current situation has highlighted a significant need that exists for a large workforce in this country...the working poor parents and single mothers.  I do know that some very conservative individuals would prefer for women to return to the primary role of homemaker and stay at home mom. High cost and poor access to childcare certainly keeps some single poor mothers out of the workforce. I don't think that's your goal. But we see right now that there are still lots of women who have not returned to the workforce because they have no where for their kids to go when they cannot be in public school. 

Trying to get you to actually make a point rather than trying to goad a liberal is not really the same thing as being triggered.  

 

Lobbing words?  Rofl...

"Of course, like many other things the government subsidizes,  this plan will make daycare even more expensive. "

Your reply:

"Did you read that in your social media feed or hear it on AM radio."

So, are you now conceding Biden's child care plan is going to make child care more expensive to obtain for those who don't qualify for assistance?   And, likely harder to find. 

And, actually I don't know there is a significant number of those who stay home because they can't find daycare.  Maybe there is.  Where's the data?

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20 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Well now you are actually trying to make a point rather than just lobbing words. 

It is true that a cogent case can be made that government funding for financial aid has contributed to the cost increases in education. Requirements for college degrees, from public sector business and industry also contributes to this increase in demand.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/12/employers-are-looking-for-job-candidates-in-the-wrong-places/549080/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2017/12/20/why-employers-must-stop-requiring-college-degrees-for-middle-skill-jobs/

Perhaps you don't think that the current situation has highlighted a significant need that exists for a large workforce in this country...the working poor parents and single mothers.  I do know that some very conservative individuals would prefer for women to return to the primary role of homemaker and stay at home mom. High cost and poor access to childcare certainly keeps some single poor mothers out of the workforce. I don't think that's your goal. But we see right now that there are still lots of women who have not returned to the workforce because they have no where for their kids to go when they cannot be in public school. 

Trying to get you to actually make a point rather than trying to goad a liberal is not really the same thing as being triggered.  

 

I THINK we all have the tendency to deal with problems that are defined in our own terms, but stuff gets done when we deal with how things acrually ARE.  Yes, my inner meanie doesn't want to pay to take care of other people's children but intellectually, that makes absolutely no sense becaue people will continue for eternity to have children they can't care for - it's just what humans do.  And if we don't take care of our children, what good are we for the future (which comes up pretty quickly:)?  

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Could just be right wing rhetoric:

"Democrats’ child care plan could help millions — or it could be a big mess"

https://www.vox.com/22744837/house-senate-democrats-build-back-better-child-care

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