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18 hours ago, Tweety said:

Why can't when the topic is January 6th can we just leave the topic January 6th without deflecting to other "insurrections or violence".    It's a tactic I've seen here before....we're talking about January 6th and someone says "well what about the BLM matters violence and this violence and that violence".   It's just a distraction from an unpleasant subject.

 

Because there is a blatant double standard. That's why. 

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13 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Because there is a blatant double standard. That's why. 

They are totally different events except for the violence.  You need to look up the definition of insurrection.  Don't take the explanation already given you.  Look it up for yourself.  The biggest difference is that the president didn't encourage the BLM riots.  There are no hearings going on now about the BLM riots.  Trump was just having a snit hissy that we wasn't re-elected.

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6 minutes ago, subee said:

They are totally different events except for the violence.  You need to look up the definition of insurrection.  Don't take the explanation already given you.  Look it up for yourself.  The biggest difference is that the president didn't encourage the BLM riots.  There are no hearings going on now about the BLM riots.  Trump was just having a snit hissy that we wasn't re-elected.

Hearings don't mean anything anymore.  How many hearings were there regarding Russian conspiracy theories and witch hunts regarding Ukranian politics? 

Regarding the year of terror attacks by BLM and ANTIFA you had the speaker of the house encouraging these on a daily basis.  There is also a huge difference between the January 6th protests and BLM Riots.  The building was not left in ashes, people were not murdered, and there was little to no damage.  Trump told people go to out in the streets and let their voices be heard, he didn't tell them to go inside and take an unguided tour while taking selfies for facebook.  

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41 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Because there is a blatant double standard. That's why. 

 Just because there was violence by another movement does not mean that we can't talk and be outraged by January 6th.  The old deflection "where was the outrage back when..." doesn't fly with me. It only changes the subject to something you don't want to talk about.  But it's not for me to tell you how to post.  

 

 

14 minutes ago, GordonGekko said:

to go inside and take an unguided tour while taking selfies for facebook.  

Several times this is how you refer to January 6th, but with BLM you describe the burning buildings and murders.

Talk about a blatant double standard.

However, ultimately that's all it ended up to be was a photo op.  Because clearly they weren't going to overtake the government and reinstate Trump.  But along the way to the going to the capital to take selfies, they destroyed property, terrorized the police, and God knows what they would have done if they got to Pence, and they committed murder.  But God knows we can't talk about that because of the violence in the past by BLM, or other protests that lead to more destruction and deaths.  

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5 minutes ago, Tweety said:

 Just because there was violence by another movement does not mean that we can't talk and be outraged by January 6th.  The old deflection "where was the outrage back when..." doesn't fly with me. It only changes the subject to something you don't want to talk about.  But it's not for me to tell you how to post.  

 

 

Several times this is how you refer to January 6th, but with BLM you describe the burning buildings and murders.

Talk about a blatant double standard.

Well. Because there was 1 murder Jan. 6. So "murders" would be incorrect. It's not a pissing contest. Neither were acceptable but you cannot talk about one without the other. What about when the capital breached for the Kavanagh hearings? Not insurrection? I only compare riots to the "insurection" or sound as if I'm defending is because there is a double standard. 

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18 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Well. Because there was 1 murder Jan. 6. So "murders" would be incorrect. It's not a pissing contest. Neither were acceptable but you cannot talk about one without the other. What about when the capital breached for the Kavanagh hearings? Not insurrection? I only compare riots to the "insurection" or sound as if I'm defending is because there is a double standard. 

I stand corrected but there was more than one death.  I wasn't in a pissing contest but was taking exception to the idea that it was merely tourists taking selfies.

I still disagree with the idea that you can't talk about one without the other.  If I'm talking about January 6th, I want to talk about January 6th.  Agree to disagree. 

I haven't used the word insurrection much if at all, but I think a few had that idea, but most of the mob itself was just going along with the crowd and got caught up in the moment and opportunity and were peaceful protestors against what they felt was an stolen election.  Not that they were right but I didn't think most of them went with the idea of an insurrection. 

But not every breech of security is an insurrection.  Many times in capitals around the country protestors have gotten in and protested something.  

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/03/fact-check-capitol-riot-2018-kavanaugh-protests-meme-lacks-context/4343790001/

 

We've gone over the "but what about...something the past" many times since Jan. 6th and it's September and I'm done.

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17 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Well. Because there was 1 murder Jan. 6. So "murders" would be incorrect. It's not a pissing contest. Neither were acceptable but you cannot talk about one without the other. What about when the capital breached for the Kavanagh hearings? Not insurrection? I only compare riots to the "insurection" or sound as if I'm defending is because there is a double standard. 

There wasn't a murder at the capitol on January 6th, that's right wing propaganda.  One of the extremists crawled through a barricaded door after commanded/warned not to.  

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35 minutes ago, Tweety said:

 Because clearly they weren't going to overtake the government and reinstate Trump.  

lolll  Please be a little more subtle

 

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7 minutes ago, GordonGekko said:

lolll  Please be a little more subtle

 

My objective in posting isn't to please you or anyone else.

It was clear then and remains clear that Trump lost.  I appreciate their right to protest, but even as they turned destructive and violent, I was still confident that at the end of the day Biden would be President.

Oh wait, are you trying some sort of humor?  I don't get it.  What are you asking or saying here.

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

There wasn't a murder at the capitol on January 6th, that's right wing propaganda.  One of the extremists crawled through a barricaded door after commanded/warned not to.  

There was a police shooting of am unarmed woman. Now flip that to an unarmed black woman shot by police at a protest and what would have happened? A armed black woman attempting to stab another black woman was shot by police and crap hit the fan. 

Maybe it was a good shoot, maybe it wasn't, not a whole lot of info there. However if the races were reversed.....There would have been a whole lot of mostly peaceful protest and you know it. 

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

I stand corrected but there was more than one death.  I wasn't in a pissing contest but was taking exception to the idea that it was merely tourists taking selfies.

I still disagree with the idea that you can't talk about one without the other.  If I'm talking about January 6th, I want to talk about January 6th.  Agree to disagree. 

I haven't used the word insurrection much if at all, but I think a few had that idea, but most of the mob itself was just going along with the crowd and got caught up in the moment and opportunity and were peaceful protestors against what they felt was an stolen election.  Not that they were right but I didn't think most of them went with the idea of an insurrection. 

But not every breech of security is an insurrection.  Many times in capitals around the country protestors have gotten in and protested something.  

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/03/fact-check-capitol-riot-2018-kavanaugh-protests-meme-lacks-context/4343790001/

 

We've gone over the "but what about...something the past" many times since Jan. 6th and it's September and I'm done.

You done? Good. Consider this. I never assigned a negative attribute to the race of people who partook in BLM riots like so many on here  have with Jan. 6. 

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55 minutes ago, Cclm said:

There was a police shooting of am unarmed woman. Now flip that to an unarmed black woman shot by police at a protest and what would have happened? A armed black woman attempting to stab another black woman was shot by police and crap hit the fan. 

Maybe it was a good shoot, maybe it wasn't, not a whole lot of info there. However if the races were reversed.....There would have been a whole lot of mostly peaceful protest and you know it. 

Have you ever read about the blind men and the elephant they were examining? 

You appear to be pretty much like that. You only see and interpret what you want! 

The Insurrection has nothing to do with anyone being shot. It's about a sociopath who doesn't understand the process of elections and the peaceful transition of power, because he's an uneducated moron with the instincts of a savage who appeal to people of the same inclination! 

Trump needs to be jailed not only for his crimes but as an example of democracy in action and a good example of a justice system working! He was never exposed to people like me in HS or he would have never turned out the way he did. He would have an allergic reaction to crime if he had met someone like me in HS. I would have scared him straight! 

He's a pathological liar and inveterate criminal and so obviously a blatantly despicable person, you would have to be exactly like him to not notice it or be repulsed by him! Just a totally disgusting human being! And obviously taught his children likewise! 

I would be really interested to know whether similar families were able to break the pattern eventually? Obviously his brother raised an excellent human being in Mary Trump, so it's possible. 

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