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7 minutes ago, subee said:

Your posts are angry and I don't know or give a crap what color you are.  Everyone is angry these days.  I used to teach anger manager classes to adolescents in the court system so I have good antennae.  

Thank you for telling me I am angry. I'll decide that thank you very much. And good! You shouldn't care what color I am. Extend that to your buddies.  Nor should anyone care what someone who looked like them did. Not everyone isvthe same even white people. 

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32 minutes ago, Cclm said:

There is an election in Canada!! I'm not too worried about voting fraud .

Does that imply that, in contrast, you do worry about voting fraud in the USA? Why? 

33 minutes ago, Cclm said:

 

Jan 6 was not a "insurrection ". It was nit okay but it wasn't a insurrection.

That's your opinion. The trials aren't done yet and no one is convicted of anything yet. 

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection U.S. Code

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Full Definition of insurrection

: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

I can certainly understand why Trump supporters might not care to have the words sedition or insurrection or incitement used but it's going to take some time to redefine them in a meaningful way.  It seems that today we can see that what was missing for the "rally" yesterday was the incitement piece. Without the incitement there was a small mob and no violence. Of course, yesterday's  gathering was also marketed as a protest...not a fight to compel congress to do something to save the election...Congress wasn't even in session.  January 6 has set itself apart from other riots and protests, those participants were doing something...they were taking action...on behalf of a man. 

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1 hour ago, Cclm said:

When racism becomes okay for one race today, it will be okay for another race tomorrow.

Racism was OK for one race in the USA for many many years. Now that race is apparently worried that they will be on the receiving end of that same treatment. That's not likely, but their white fear is palpable. 

31 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Thank you for telling me I am angry. I'll decide that thank you very much. And good! You shouldn't care what color I am. Extend that to your buddies.  Nor should anyone care what someone who looked like them did. Not everyone isvthe same even white people. 

Didn't you know that your posts covey anger? 

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1 hour ago, subee said:

Do Canadians regularly shoot each other during a hockey game?  To they spray mace in the referees' faces?  Do they break down the arena?  I need photo ID to get my voter registration ID.   I need an address to receive an absentee ballot in the mail.  No problem.  As I said before, I do have a problem with mailboxes and ballot boxes being carted away the week before an electon.    

The only person shot was a Trump supporter. Yes. Some violence happened during hockey riots to police. However not many people burn down entire communities, ones that are already marginalized because of false narratives. Nor has entire city blocks been taken over by "Summer of love" or court houses and police departments bombed and set on fire and exits blocked with people inside the building. 

Nor do violent riots happen everywhere for an entire year and nothing is done about it either. Or no one talks about and referred to "mostly peaceful" either!! 

 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Racism was OK for one race in the USA for many many years. Now that race is apparently worried that they will be on the receiving end of that same treatment. That's not likely, but their white fear is palpable. 

Didn't you know that your posts covey anger? 

Yes.  Racism HAS  been a problem every where for all of history every place in the world. In the US a civil war happened to end it because the majority of people and if you must, white people felt it was wrong. And still do!! 

Racism is never okay for any group ever. Unless it's about revenge or retribution right? 

Making racism okay towards one group will only make it okay for the next. 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Does that imply that, in contrast, you do worry about voting fraud in the USA? Why? 

That's your opinion. The trials aren't done yet and no one is convicted of anything yet. 

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection U.S. Code

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Full Definition of insurrection

: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

I can certainly understand why Trump supporters might not care to have the words sedition or insurrection or incitement used but it's going to take some time to redefine them in a meaningful way.  It seems that today we can see that what was missing for the "rally" yesterday was the incitement piece. Without the incitement there was a small mob and no violence. Of course, yesterday's  gathering was also marketed as a protest...not a fight to compel congress to do something to save the election...Congress wasn't even in session.  January 6 has set itself apart from other riots and protests, those participants were doing something...they were taking action...on behalf of a man. 

Perfect! I agree. Under those definitions there have been many "insurrections" that have happened all last year. If Jan 6 was an insurrection than allot of the riots of last year where entire police departments were taken over and court buildings set on fire, were insurrection as well. 

Nobody has even been charged with insurrection, mostly tresspassing and the like. 

So it's okay to riot as long as it isn't because of a "man"? What?? 

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Racism was OK for one race in the USA for many many years. Now that race is apparently worried that they will be on the receiving end of that same treatment. That's not likely, but their white fear is palpable. 

Didn't you know that your posts covey anger? 

Okay TMB do you think yours do not? I'm not angry. I am the best judge of that. Nor would I be ashamed if I was. 

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3 hours ago, Tweety said:

I can understand the person that says that they are not responsible for people of their race are doing.   How is it my fault that white police officers have brutalized African Americans so long and gotten away it?

I cringe sometimes when I've been told "check my privilege".   Even as a gay man I have privilege.  Gay white men earn more money that others in the LGBT community.  It's been long known there is a wage disparity between gay men and lesbians.  In fact a study in 2017 noted even gay men make more than their heterosexual counterparts.   Gay white male couples as a group do the best.   

Anyway, I think it's how we respond to this.  White men have been in power and still hold the power for a long time now.  We have to tackle head on and not allow privilege but equality.  Gay people can still be fired from their jobs for being gay.  Police brutality is a real thing.  Women's reproductive rights are under attack.  

Do we sit back and say "I'm not responsible for what is being done", or do we push back.  I've marched in women's marches, pride, acknowledged privilege and have donated to one of the most marginalized groups in the LGBT community with a high rate of murders:  black homeless transgendered women.  I really could do so much more.  But the point is yes, I am not responsible for the sins and actions of my gender and race, but I am for myself.

 

Okay. Then all Muslims are responsible for terrorism and Sept 11. All black Americans are responsible for gun violence and gang crime in Chicago. Not a chance. Why not let the best men be in power and who cares what color they are? I mean has Dr. King been forgotten? 

I will take action and speak out for any discrimination for anyone by anyone. I will not assign blame or guilt by skin color. Ever! 

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3 hours ago, subee said:

There's a difference between self-flagulating and awareness of the luck of being born white in some situations.  I have no idea what race Curious thinks you are.  Your reply is angry backlash.  Becoming self-aware is hard and lashing out is easy.

I don't CARE what race or sex they think they are. I only selfishly see people. What knowledge I can glean from you. I know how selfish and cold that sounds, but I only see people as a repository of amazing knowledge and experience that I can live vicariously through or learn from. And the only way to get at that knowledge and experience is by being polite and ernest. It's easy to develop a relationship once you respect someone. I respect their opinions and expressions regardless of how different it may be from my own. Unless they are a bully or a bad person which are the only distinctions I make. 

I actually don't even see sexes anymore I think, and I know how corny that sounds. I know how people work mostly and I have yet to meet anyone who doesn't respond to respect and ernesty which even if they don't respond well, I will still pursue, if I see something valuable that I want. I think it's everyone's right to behave whichever way they want as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's lives. 

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2 hours ago, Cclm said:

Okay. Then all Muslims are responsible for terrorism and Sept 11. All black Americans are responsible for gun violence and gang crime in Chicago. Not a chance. Why not let the best men be in power and who cares what color they are? I mean has Dr. King been forgotten? 

I will take action and speak out for any discrimination for anyone by anyone. I will not assign blame or guilt by skin color. Ever! 

I can't for the life of me understand how that's your takeaway from my post.

Understanding and dealing with white dominance, inequality and privilege is not the same as assigning muslims responsibility for terrorism and Sept. 11th.  

It is also not the same as assigning blame or guilt by skin color either.  Like I said, I'm white and I'm a gay man and I'm not assigning the problems of racism or white gay male dominance of the LGBT community on my shoulders.  Nor am I ashamed of white people or gay people.  But I do have to acknowledge it and try to be a better person and not contribute to the problem.  

On the other hand, I have lost hope in humanity and pretty much America.  

 

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2 hours ago, Cclm said:

The only person shot was a Trump supporter. Yes. Some violence happened during hockey riots to police. However not many people burn down entire communities, ones that are already marginalized because of false narratives. Nor has entire city blocks been taken over by "Summer of love" or court houses and police departments bombed and set on fire and exits blocked with people inside the building. 

Nor do violent riots happen everywhere for an entire year and nothing is done about it either. Or no one talks about and referred to "mostly peaceful" either!! 

 

Can you show me where courthouses are still being burnt down?  For whatever reasons, these cities have chosen to handle a very miniscule amount of violence their own way and I have no access to their reasoning.  All I can see is that a large number if people are angry about something that affected a very miniscule number of people and they won't let that narrative go. They are angry about the wrong thing.  Be angry at Chauvin and the group of cops who slowly tortured a man to death ad thought they could get away with it; not the cities who WERE stymied how to contain a criminal element without engendered more violence and damages.

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3 hours ago, Cclm said:

Yes.  Racism HAS  been a problem every where for all of history every place in the world. In the US a civil war happened to end it because the majority of people and if you must, white people felt it was wrong. And still do!! 

Racism is never okay for any group ever. Unless it's about revenge or retribution right? 

Making racism okay towards one group will only make it okay for the next. 

It's interesting that you speak of racism in the USA in the past tense, as if racism is no longer a problem in this country.  That suggests that you are blind to the institutional racism that is alive and well in this country. You are simply pretending that there is no racism in policing or healthcare or finance...in spite of all of the evidence. 

By ignoring the persistent and deadly racism toward POC in this country today in order to worry about potential racism against the group of people who birthed the racists, you ARE making racism okay towards one group.  If the status quo is racist then supporting the status quo is supporting racism. 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's interesting that you speak of racism in the USA in the past tense, as if racism is no longer a problem in this country.  That suggests that you are blind to the institutional racism that is alive and well in this country. You are simply pretending that there is no racism in policing or healthcare or finance...in spite of all of the evidence. 

By ignoring the persistent and deadly racism toward POC in this country today in order to worry about potential racism against the group of people who birthed the racists, you ARE making racism okay towards one group.  If the status quo is racist then supporting the status quo is supporting racism. 

You are the apitomy of racism. Especially when one group is considered deserving and another is not. You can't even see it. So deluded in ypur own bias and racism. Wow

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