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18 minutes ago, SummerGarden said:

Daisy4RN, if you really think our pointing out the dangers of Trump and the psychopaths that support Trump is going to stop, you are sorely mistaken.  This is not Parlor, white nationalist don't own this forum.  Therefore, until Trump is no longer a danger to our democracy and the psyco-paths that think he is still president are stopped, we won't stop

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Are you suggesting that white nationalist are posting here?  

18 minutes ago, SummerGarden said:

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Also, no one believes for a second that Trump supporters are concerned about the 15,000 Americans and translators that are attempting to leave that country to prevent being under Taliban rule.  They are not white and so the real concerns Trump and his supporters have is that they are brown and coming here NOW! ...

First, they are not "Americans and translators," they are Afghan nationals that supported our troops.  And when you consider their families, the number is closer to 70,000.  And, as most are still there with little to no hope of leaving, apparently, no one in the Biden Administration cares about them either.

 

18 minutes ago, SummerGarden said:

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... Thus, a plane full of brown people coming to America (or returning in many cases) is something that terrifies them, especially since it can not be stopped.  

Who, exactly, are all of these "brown people" that are returning to America?  And please provide sources when you explain this.

ETA: If you are interested in reading further about the Afghan interpreters, you might consider visiting Task & Purpose, Defense One, or Military Times.

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https://www.npr.org/2021/08/19/1028472005/afghanistan-conflict-timeline

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2018

President Donald Trump appoints former U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad as his special representative to negotiate with the Taliban.

2020

After another disputed election in 2019, Ghani is declared president and Abdullah as head of the government's peace negotiating committee in early 2020.

Violence increases in Kabul. ISIS claims responsibility for some attacks, while others are never claimed. Journalists and rights activists are assassinated. Other targets include a maternity hospital and a girls' school.

 

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The U.S. and the Taliban sign a peace agreement in Doha, Qatar, on Feb. 29. The two sides agree on terms including for the U.S. withdrawal of troops and the Taliban to stop attacks on Americans.

Direct Taliban-Afghan government negotiations begin in Doha in September, but quickly stall and never resume in a serious way.

April 14, 2021

President Biden announces the withdrawal of remaining U.S. troops by Sept. 11.

May 2021

The Taliban begin gaining territory in the north.

July 2021

An Afghan National Army soldier stands on a Humvee at Bagram Air Base after all U.S. and NATO troops left, in July.

Zakeria Hashimi/AFP/Getty Images

U.S. troops leave the Bagram Airfield, the key hub for the American war.

August 2021

The Taliban seize control of key cities and provinces, often without a fight. Within days, the only major city not under their control is Kabul.

Ghani flees, the government collapses and the capital comes under Taliban control on Aug. 15. Chaos erupts at the Kabul airport as desperate Afghans try to leave the country and a new era of painful uncertainty begins.

At a press conference on Aug. 17, Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid promises an inclusive government, security for aid agencies and embassies and women's rights to work and go to school — within his group's interpretation of sharia law.

Last September the department of defense reassured us that they were planning prudently for the withdrawal.  

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26 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Good idea.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/19/1028472005/afghanistan-conflict-timeline

 

Last September the department of defense reassured us that they were planning prudently for the withdrawal.  

LOL, are you seriously still trying to blame Trump?! So I guess you are saying that the current admin (ie Biden/Harris) hasn't updated their intelligence since September. I guess we can see how/why the Aftganistan withdrawal is going so bad!

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10 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

LOL, are you seriously still trying to blame Trump?! So I guess you are saying that the current admin (ie Biden/Harris) hasn't updated their intelligence since September. I guess we can see how/why the Aftganistan withdrawal is going so bad!

 Not sure why you think you know me.

That's what you got from my post? I didn't mention Trump in my remark at all...I mentioned the comments of the DoD after sharing the timeline from a credible source. 

You are welcome to guess about what I said but your guess appears to be unrelated to my actual message. Maybe you didn't understand my words. 

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1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

Maybe time for a little history lesson on the Aftganistan war that started 20 years ago. Tip: don't start with CNN.

He made the deal to end the war without proper personnel negotiating the demographics of the possibilities, with severely limited people interlectually, who couldn't possibly understand the big picture view of the region and the consequences! 

Trump is a moron who logically hired only morons who logically only made moronic decisions with the resulting disastrous results. Biden was a fool to go through with anything trump had a hand in without extensive investigations and modifications. I definitely wanted the troops gone, but with contingencies in place and it's very likely that there's a bigger plan we don't know about? I can definitely see the potential for a trap here involving Russia and China to get them distracted and out of the way. 

They get involved in the vacuum to protect their interests and Pakistan gets involved and in the entire world, only three countries matter re enemies! Israel, Iran and Pakistan and both Iran and Pakistan are the absolute worst enemies to have with Pakistan being the worst because of mentality and striking power! 

Remember, Afghanistanis are Sunni Muslims! The enemy of my enemy is my best friend! 

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51 minutes ago, chare said:

Are you suggesting that white nationalist are posting here?  

First, they are not "Americans and translators," they are Afghan nationals that supported our troops.  And when you consider their families, the number is closer to 70,000.  And, as most are still there with little to no hope of leaving, apparently, no one in the Biden Administration cares about them either.

 

Who, exactly, are all of these "brown people" that are returning to America?  And please provide sources when you explain this.

ETA: If you are interested in reading further about the Afghan interpreters, you might consider visiting Task & Purpose, Defense One, or Military Times.

We have someone on this thread that complains about black nationalists who are ruining things for white guys.  I read the news relentlessly and don't feel any menace from black nationalists...whoever they are.   Char, I don't understand your post about the translators and shy you are talking about "brown people."  Who do you think should have even attempted to get these people out after the Taliban was alerted that we were pulling our troops out?  It is all one big sad mess but I haven't seen anyone offering a better idea.  Not giving the Taliban notice one have been my only idea.  The rest I don't feel competent to comment on.

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The mess in Afghanistan is not evidence that Trump is irrelevant.  The mess is evidence that Trump was the most incompetent chief executI've of your lifetime while calling into question the expertise and competence of our very expensive military.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you should evacuate everyone who needs to get out BEFORE our troops leave.  

That's all on the Biden administration.   And the world knows that. 

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Just now, Beerman said:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you should evacuate everyone who needs to get out BEFORE our troops leave.  

That's all on the Biden administration.   And the world knows that. 

You said it!  And Trump gave the Taliban notice last August in the Doha agreement.  They were ready to strike as soon as they heard about unusual movement at the airport.  The had time to make a plan.  They had time to get our stuff.  And if Cadillac can have All-Star, a now ancient system, why can't we inactivate our weapons electronically?  Just curious.

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17 minutes ago, Beerman said:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you should evacuate everyone who needs to get out BEFORE our troops leave.  

That's all on the Biden administration.   And the world knows that. 

Sure. 

I'm guessing that Biden stressed that objective  to the military when the withdrawal was negotiated in February 2020 and reinforced that objective in September 2020 when the military was making their reassurances about how effective their planning was...is that what you are thinking too? 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pentagon-is-drawing-up-afghan-withdrawal-plans-for-trump-11590533555

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17 minutes ago, subee said:

You said it!  And Trump gave the Taliban notice last August in the Doha agreement.  They were ready to strike as soon as they heard about unusual movement at the airport.  The had time to make a plan.  They had time to get our stuff.  And if Cadillac can have All-Star, a now ancient system, why can't we inactivate our weapons electronically?  Just curious.

Regardless, you still evacuate before the withdrawal.

Also, don't forget that Biden himself said the Taliban wouldnt be taking over.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-taliban-takeover-afghanistan-video-1619559

 

 

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1 minute ago, Beerman said:

Regardless, you still evacuate before the withdrawal.

Also, don't forget that Biden himself said the Taliban wouldnt be taking over.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-taliban-takeover-afghanistan-video-1619559

 

 

Yep. 

Weird how our really really expensive military got all of that wrong, eh?

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