I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
Yes, I had seen both of these. From the second source you cited:
Deductive reasoning? More like a wild *** guess. Responding to an armed threat with the application of deadly force, while tragic, isn't necessarily acting because they "were afraid," as you suggested. It might, in fact have been done not only to protect the law enforcement personnel on scene but others nearby in the community.
Yes, in my opinion this would be most likely.
Doubtful.
I seriously doubt it, but am aware that for some this is always the go to response.
Unfortunately, many LEOs have a strictly transactional relationship with the truth. I have no reason to believe that their report is untrue or even embellished, but I’d like to see one of those ubiquitous video, body cam footage, perhaps?
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1 hour ago, chare said:
First you asked ...
I'm unsure how you chose these terms and am curious that you and one other poster mentioned. Then of course you had to compare him to Mr. Trump, which you seem unable to not do. And now you want to know what of Mr. Obama's speech you should "condemn or find unbecoming a former president;" again your terminology. Neither of my posts regarding Mr. Obama's speach mentioned any of these. My initial post was an observation that this behavior coming from a Democrat was acceptable.
Then you asked this:
I don't find it appropriate that a President, either current or previous, would make a political opponent the butt of a joke. Question his qualifications, call him on past behavior or actions, ask him to explain his positions; but don't make him the butt of the joke.
What was the joke? Asking if he could be a pilot or similar because he was good at football? Is that the joke that you are referencing? I'm still missing the inappropriate part. Can you please specify?
I still wonder about conservatives having a problem with Obama's language or speeches when Trump spends much more time making inappropriate comments in public than any other former president at any other time in recent history.
Well, don't keep us in suspense. Where did you get the impression that it was a sniper?
Your three sources and the family, as well as the video, don't suggest it was a sniper.
26 minutes ago, heron said:
Unfortunately, many LEOs have a strictly transactional relationship with the truth. I have no reason to believe that their report is untrue or even embellished, but I’d like to see one of those ubiquitous video, body cam footage, perhaps?
I agree.
It'd also be nice to hear the 911 call and see body cam footage of Pelosi attack.
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1 hour ago, chare said:
Yes, I had seen both of these. From the second source you cited:
Deductive reasoning? More like a wild *** guess. Responding to an armed threat with the application of deadly force, while tragic, isn't necessarily acting because they "were afraid," as you suggested. It might, in fact have been done not only to protect the law enforcement personnel on scene but others nearby in the community.
Yes, in my opinion this would be most likely.
Doubtful.
I seriously doubt it, but am aware that for some this is always the go to response.
I hope that you recognize that I was throwing out the last few options as unlikely or perhaps even ridiculous.
Deductive reasoning leads me to think that police talking to someone for a couple hours and then stating that they shot him because he pointed weapons at them out of the window tells me they were concerned for their safety, I described that as fear. They didn't mention civilians at risk in their comments.
Sure it MIGHT have been concern for the general community...but the police said he threatened them, not other people.
I guess the guy was successful in completing a suicide.
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3 minutes ago, Beerman said:
Well, don't keep us in suspense. Where did you get the impression that it was a sniper?
Your three sources and the family, as well as the video, don't suggest it was a sniper.
I agree.
It'd also be nice to hear the 911 call and see body cam footage of Pelosi attack.
So you can't see the sniper kneeling and aiming, followed by a single shot and the gunman standing? Maybe that sniper didn't shoot him, the family says that he did.
What would be nice about seeing the assailant strike an old man in the head with a hammer?
What was the joke? Asking if he could be a pilot or similar because he was good at football? Is that the joke that you are referencing? I'm still missing the inappropriate part. Can you please specify?
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No, apparently I can't; I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here.
57 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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I still wonder about conservatives having a problem with Obama's language or speeches when Trump spends much more time making inappropriate comments in public than any other former president at any other time in recent history.
As do I. Are you suggesting that I don't have a problem with Mr. Trump's comments or behaviors?
So you can't see the sniper kneeling and aiming, followed by a single shot and the gunman standing? Maybe that sniper didn't shoot him, the family says that he did.
What would be nice about seeing the assailant strike an old man in the head with a hammer?
Yeah, sure. That's what you meant by a sniper. Still doesn't explain why your three sources and the family didn't use that term. And, a Google search of the deceased name and sniper turned up a bunch of left wing sites and a anti-police tik tok star.
Your explanation will satisfy a couple of your clapping seals, but I and likely a few others, know better.
You have a point about seeing the man getting beaten. Why not the 911 call? And, maybe body cam footage with him blurred out. You and I both support transparency, right?
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4 hours ago, Beerman said:
TMB mentions a sniper. The story linked to here doesn't. Sounds like something a anti-police left wing extremist rag would have published to stir up emotions. That maybe were Baloney first saw the story.
I'm only speculating, obviously.
From familys side of story.... they are requesting release police body tapes.
He was alone in his home. Nine rifles being pointed at his doors and windows by officers in tactical gear did not do anything to defuse what was an obvious mental health crisis. A tactical kill shot through a window and into Desman’s chest was not the solution
Interpretation of "a tactical kill shot" is a police sniper fired man in this instance. Woman acting as surrogate mother after his own mother death was denied entry to home-- she felt could help talk to him during mental health crisis and that 2 hours not enough time to resolve situation.
Hmm, OK. The family's lawyer didn't use this term. But, I'll consider your expertise in this area. Please tell.
Duh. He was armed and in a bad place mentally. The *** really would have hit the fan if they let her go and something happened to her.
And, "tactical kill shot" was NAACP's term. I'm open to hear their expertise from folks who weren't there, as well. And, when I hear that I'll still keep in mind that he may have been pointing weapons at them too. In which case, a "tactical kill shot" likely was warranted.
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1 hour ago, chare said:
No, apparently I can't; I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here.
As do I. Are you suggesting that I don't have a problem with Mr. Trump's comments or behaviors?
I find it odd that you would mention Obama's comments as somehow unacceptable and post about it while not mentioning the clearly much more unacceptable, language and themes of Trump, uttered on a frequent basis.
I mean, Obama's remarks were so unremarkable really that you can't even say what was troubling about them or why. I bet that you could give me a specific example of something inappropriate that Trump has said in a speech in the recent weeks. Would you take that bet, would I lose money or do you pay attention to what Trump says?
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Unfortunately, many LEOs have a strictly transactional relationship with the truth. I have no reason to believe that their report is untrue or even embellished, but I’d like to see one of those ubiquitous video, body cam footage, perhaps?