I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
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39 minutes ago, Beerman said:
I've heard some of this.
He wasn't a gay prostitute, or fueled by "conservative outrage".
He's a man with mental health and drug issues.
Congress members shouldn't be participating in this. Trump Jr's post was meant to be funny more than factual. One can decide for themselves if it was or not.
I was surprised Musk posted what he did.
Why do you think that DJTJ thought that was funny and isn't it sad that so many conservatives agreed with him in that thread? Why do you think conservatives like them think that the political violence against a family member is fodder for joking?
A police sniper shot him in the chest, through a window, because they were afraid of him.
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In a statement released last week and provided to media outlets, including WLEX18, LaDuke’s family refuted initial claims made by the Nicholasville Police Department and Kentucky State Police regarding the circumstances of the shooting.
State police previously said the initial investigation indicated Nicholasville police responded to a suicidal subject on Green Street where they allegedly found LaDuke armed.
LaDuke was taken to the hospital after the shooting, which occurred in Jessamine County just before 1:30 p.m. on Oct. 22. According to the coroner’s office, LaDuke died nearly four hours after the incident.
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“Desman was alone in his home and inside his bedroom when he was shot, through the bedroom window, by a police officer positioned outside the home,” the family said in a statement. “Any suggestion that officers made entry into Desman’s home, were (threatened) inside the home by Desman, and shot Desman from inside the home, are false.”
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LaDuke’s family said that on the day the shooting occurred, LaDuke was struggling with the desire to live, and the family called police to ask for help.
They said police responded by sending a SWAT unit and nine different officers in tactical gear who surrounded LaDuke’s home and pointed assault rifles at the doors and windows.
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The family’s statement said the woman who raised LaDuke since his mother’s death in 2011 was on the scene and she begged and pleaded for SWAT to stand down.
“She insisted that she be allowed to go into the home to talk to Desman, to hug him, and to tell him everything would be OK. This request was not only denied, but also came with a direct warning to Melissa that she would be tackled if she tried to go and talk to her son,” the family said in a release.
After an hour and a half, while Desman was inside his home by himself, the family said an officer shot through his bedroom window and struck him in the chest.
“Officers made entry and then proceeded to drag Desman across the ground through the bedroom, the hallway, the living room, and the kitchen. Officers left a trail of blood on the floor for the family to discover later,” the family said in a statement.
The release says nearly 20 officers entered the home and cursed at LaDuke, telling him to show his hands, and yelled “that it was his fault.”
De-escalation must not be part of that police department's skill set... neither is honesty or compassion.
A police sniper shot him in the chest, through a window, because they were afraid of him.
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And you vase this conclusion on what, exactly? If you've read something else, other that the source you provided, please provide sources.
3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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De-escalation must not be part of that police department's skill set... neither is honesty or compassion.
As for your first statement, this is possible. I have long had concerns with the militarization of the police departments and proliferation of heavily armed SWAT teams.
As for the latter, you base these on what? Again, these are possible, but considering that the Kentucky State Police (KSP) are still investigating, we don't know.
Hopefully these, and other questions will be answered when KSP releases its investigation results.
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26 minutes ago, chare said:
And you vase this conclusion on what, exactly? If you've read something else, other that the source you provided, please provide sources.
As for your first statement, this is possible. I have long had concerns with the militarization of the police departments and proliferation of heavily armed SWAT teams.
As for the latter, you base these on what? Again, these are possible, but considering that the Kentucky State Police (KSP) are still investigating, we don't know.
Hopefully these, and other questions will be answered when KSP releases its investigation results.
Deductive reasoning. Yes I read other articles about the event, I looked up some local news reporting on it. It's an unusual story because the police used a sniper to neutralize the fellow.
The police statements seem to have implied that the dead man threatened them. Why else would someone shoot another person (who is having a suicidal crisis) through a window from a sniper position? Is it likely that they considered him a threat to the general public while in his room with the guns? Would they shoot him in the chest to prevent him from shooting himself? Would they shoot him because he's a black man or because he's having a mental health crisis, or because they were impatient?
Why did the police drag him through the house, leaving a trail of blood? Is that evidence of compassion?
Yes, it will be interesting to see how that investigation turns out.
As an aside, I'm still curious which portions of Obama's speech I should condemn or find unbecoming a former president... in your opinion. You asked and I'd like to understand what I'm missing in that speech. I posted a link... that IS the speech you were referencing, right?
And you vase this conclusion on what, exactly? If you've read something else, other that the source you provided, please provide sources.
As for your first statement, this is possible. I have long had concerns with the militarization of the police departments and proliferation of heavily armed SWAT teams.
As for the latter, you base these on what? Again, these are possible, but considering that the Kentucky State Police (KSP) are still investigating, we don't know.
Hopefully these, and other questions will be answered when KSP releases its investigation results.
Yes, I'm sure he learned things in "additional reading". It seems odd that someone way out in Alaska was perusing the Lexington Herald.
TMB mentions a sniper. The story linked to here doesn't. Sounds like something a anti-police left wing extremist rag would have published to stir up emotions. That maybe were Baloney first saw the story.
Deductive reasoning. Yes I read other articles about the event, I looked up some local news reporting on it. It's an unusual story because the police used a sniper to neutralize the fellow.
The police statements seem to have implied that the dead man threatened them. Why else would someone shoot another person (who is having a suicidal crisis) through a window from a sniper position? Is it likely that they considered him a threat to the general public while in his room with the guns? Would they shoot him in the chest to prevent him from shooting himself? Would they shoot him because he's a black man or because he's having a mental health crisis, or because they were impatient?
Why did the police drag him through the house, leaving a trail of blood? Is that evidence of compassion?
Yes, it will be interesting to see how that investigation turns out.
As an aside, I'm still curious which portions of Obama's speech I should condemn or find unbecoming a former president... in your opinion. You asked and I'd like to understand what I'm missing in that speech. I posted a link... that IS the speech you were referencing, right?
Two more sources.
Still no mention of a sniper. Nor did the statement from the family.
I found one. In the "Badge Abuse" section. Perhaps this is where you read that?
As an aside, I'm still curious which portions of Obama's speech I should condemn or find unbecoming a former president... in your opinion. You asked and I'd like to understand what I'm missing in that speech. I posted a link... that IS the speech you were referencing, right?
First you asked ...
On 10/29/2022 at 3:21 PM, toomuchbaloney said:
What did you find offensive or objectionable about what Obama said?
I'm unsure how you chose these terms and am curious that you and one other poster mentioned. Then of course you had to compare him to Mr. Trump, which you seem unable to not do. And now you want to know what of Mr. Obama's speech you should "condemn or find unbecoming a former president;" again your terminology. Neither of my posts regarding Mr. Obama's speach mentioned any of these. My initial post was an observation that this behavior coming from a Democrat was acceptable.
On 10/29/2022 at 3:02 PM, chare said:
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I guess this is acceptable, coming from a Democrat.
Then you asked this:
On 10/29/2022 at 6:15 PM, toomuchbaloney said:
What behavior? You haven't specified what he said or did that is inappropriate for a former president? I watched the entire speech. I read the article that you offered. I'm asking you to clarify the language or behavior, specifically, that you want to compare to Trump's or hold up for criticism.
"This behavior" is about what... specifically.
I don't find it appropriate that a President, either current or previous, would make a political opponent the butt of a joke. Question his qualifications, call him on past behavior or actions, ask him to explain his positions; but don't make him the butt of the joke.
Deductive reasoning. Yes I read other articles about the event, I looked up some local news reporting on it. It's an unusual story because the police used a sniper to neutralize the fellow.
The police statements seem to have implied that the dead man threatened them. ...
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Yes, I had seen both of these. From the second source you cited:
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In a statement released by the department on Oct. 27, Kentucky State Police’s initial investigation determined officers were “confronted by an armed individual” upon arriving at the scene. They said negotiations with LaDuke went on for more than two hours.
On Monday, the department released a second statement noting they “made every effort in the interest of achieving a peaceful resolution.” Authorities said the officers made “prolonged and persistent attempts” to negotiate with LaDuke before he then pointed two guns out a rear window of the home.
Officers repeatedly ordered LaDuke to drop the guns, according to the statement, but LaDuke reportedly aimed the guns at officers before they shot and killed him.
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Deductive reasoning? More like a wild *** guess. Responding to an armed threat with the application of deadly force, while tragic, isn't necessarily acting because they "were afraid," as you suggested. It might, in fact have been done not only to protect the law enforcement personnel on scene but others nearby in the community.
1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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... (1) Is it likely that they considered him a threat to the general public while in his room with the guns? (2) Would they shoot him in the chest to prevent him from shooting himself? (3) Would they shoot him because he's a black man or because he's having a mental health crisis, or because they were impatient?
Yes, in my opinion this would be most likely.
Doubtful.
I seriously doubt it, but am aware that for some this is always the go to response.
I don't find it appropriate that a President, either current or previous, would make a political opponent the butt of a joke. Question his qualifications, call him on past behavior or actions, ask him to explain his positions; but don't make him the butt of the joke.
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Why do you think that DJTJ thought that was funny and isn't it sad that so many conservatives agreed with him in that thread? Why do you think conservatives like them think that the political violence against a family member is fodder for joking?