I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
I don't understand why people who may become or who are pregnant need to compromise. People should be able to make personal decisions about what happens to their bodies. The government has no place in the exam room, especially not just so strangers can feel righteous.
I agree here. Lindsay Graham has no business getting involved in my life prior to the point when a fetus is viable outside the uterus.
Let’s say you are struggling with severe cardiac issues. How would you feel if Graham decided that you are only allowed to use western medicine to treat potentially life-limiting symptoms for a week? After that, you must use only crystals, candles and prayer.
I am totally uninterested in changing anyone’s mind on the issue. The radical religious right is welcome to think what they like. What they are not allowed to do is force my life to conform to their beliefs. Not gonna happen. If the radical right wants to throw one of their holy wars over the issue, then have at it. Remember what happened to ISIS.
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14 minutes ago, Beerman said:
You're definitely giving credability to the folks who believe there are others who believe a abortion should be allowed at any time before birth.
I understand that sometimes a delivery of a compromised and dying fetus must be accomplished to save the reproductive health of the woman, maybe you don't. That's why I believe that medical procedures are not the business of politicians and it doesn't matter when in the pregnancy the procedure would be recommended to preserve the mother's health... it's a private medical decision... not a political or public event that requires outside opinion. You disagree.
You think that those women should have to submit themselves to increased risk for harm or death because you think that politicians should choose for them. At one of the most emotionally devastating times in their lives... you indifferently prefer that lawmakers make the choices for them. The lack of privacy for women is of no concern to you. The lack of bodily autonomy is not a concern to you. You think it's your business.
Perhaps Republicans are convinced that publicly mistreating these people, who may someday be voters, will benefit the GOP in the long run. Or maybe they are abusing them for short term political goals...
What's clear is that the republican politicians are more interested in political points than they are about appearing cruel and indifferent to the needs of vulnerable people. That speaks volumes over and over.
Perhaps Republicans are convinced that publicly mistreating these people, who may someday be voters, will benefit the GOP in the long run. Or maybe they are abusing them for short term political goals...
What's clear is that the republican politicians are more interested in political points than they are about appearing cruel and indifferent to the needs of vulnerable people. That speaks volumes over and over.
Hey TMB could not agree with you more. It’s so blatant rude and disrespectful what he’s doing. We are at a time in history where clearly people seem to have no respect for other people’s lives and sometimes not even their own . So if ever there was a need to show some sense of solidarity and human compassion, this is the time.
Well since you have no number I would think that the number of pregnancies that result from rape are minuscule. And those women are able to get abortions if they choose.
What is interesting is the number of abortions performed every year (~600,000-700,000, and probably more) in the US because they are unwanted pregnancies. Seems to me with all the contraceptives so easily available and the fact that a girl/woman can simply drop off a newborn with no questions asked there would be less. I am not judging anyone but I find it sad that so many choose to put to death their own child when there are other options readily available even after the pregnancy occurs (adoption or safe haven). The mother will have to live with the consequences of the decision (some are minors who as we know do not have fully developed brains yet) and of course the baby in these instances has no voice/choice in the matter. And for that matter neither does the father.
Of course I know that contraceptives are not 100 percent and I did not say they were, and they most definitely are easily available!
IMO, simply dropping off a baby at a safe haven is much more humane than killing it! (And I never said treat it like laundry).
A baby is a baby no matter what are science calls it, still a baby.
I am glad the women you know are at peace with their decision, that doesn’t mean that all girls/women are or will be.
Nobody’s solution is to force a teen or anyone else to become a mother. There are other alternatives as I pointed out.
Shame on you for accusing me of making a flippant/callous remark based on your perception! I said I believe the number is mimiscule, meaning in context of how many abortions are performed. I never said nor implied that I have no compassion for these women or that I don’t understand their struggles!
(this is exactly why I do not like this forum bc many of you do not know how to have a decent conversation without putting words in someone’s mouth and then getting in their face about it).
IMO, it is compassionate to care about the unborn as well as the mother!!
But since I guess y’all like having an echo chamber more than having a real discussion carry on!!
I thought it was a great debate. Both parties expressing their views.
Some people just don't like to be challenged and so they try to backtrack a little like you're doing.
That's what it looks like to not judge women who seek abortion? In my view it was very judgy.
Consequences.
It's almost as if you ignore the fact that making it illegal to obtain abortions also has significant and long term consequences... not only to vulnerable females of reproductive age, but to the larger community. While also ignoring the fact that easy access to birth control (which is frequently a problem in staunchly conservative regions) results in fewer unwanted pregnancies which results in fewer abortions. This has long been recognized by the ACOG, yet, conservative policy often makes that access difficult and inconvenient, sometimes even expensive (like when they interfere with health insurance coverage). Good health care access and affordability reduces abortion. Secure and safe housing reduces abortion.
When more women feel like they can afford to carry an unexpected pregnancy to term in a safe, secure and supported environment there will be fewer abortions.
Agree TMB! What's scary to me is the belief that some people have that other people live lives similar to theirs and therefore should make choices and decisions similar to theirs. It's so obviously apparent that some people have no clue or care as to how other people struggle to live.
Well your view/perception is wrong! As I said I do not judge anyone. I care about the mothers and the babies. I just think we can do better with education Re: contraceptives and other alternatives in order to decrease the high number of abortions that IMO will (more than likely) affect the mother but will most definitely affect the baby. I have compassion for both. We will never be able to fix all people’s circumstances completely but I do agree with helping people as much as possible. we already have many social programs in place but the problem will never be solved because we are all human so there is only so much we can do. Anyone who has worked as a nurse knows this. There are many different reasons women have abortions, not just not having a safe environment. And again birth control is easily available.
Bolded words are the truest words you have spoken, everything else you've said directly contradicts those words. I wish you could see it.
22 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
Clearly, I'm not alone in that interpretation of your words. You believe that you don't judge anyone but your actual words tell a different story when it comes to abortion.
No, birth control is not universally and easily available. I've posted this link before, maybe you'll read it this time.
TMB is my spirit animal. You ALWAYS walk while I run lmbo!!!
Well again, all we have to go by are your actual words and sentiments as expressed in these threads.
Your feelings suggest that the study published by NIH may be flawed? Maybe you could share the study or reporting that informs your opinion that birth control is more accessible than the NIH says.
One more thought, projection, when used in that way is so very very obvious and that reflects on the member projecting. You imply that women can SIMPLY drop off their unwanted infants, and that does indeed reflect a callous and flippant view of what that "simple" act represents. It's so unfortunate that you cannot see the emotional trauma associated with what you qualify as something done "simply".
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I agree here. Lindsay Graham has no business getting involved in my life prior to the point when a fetus is viable outside the uterus.
Let’s say you are struggling with severe cardiac issues. How would you feel if Graham decided that you are only allowed to use western medicine to treat potentially life-limiting symptoms for a week? After that, you must use only crystals, candles and prayer.
I am totally uninterested in changing anyone’s mind on the issue. The radical religious right is welcome to think what they like. What they are not allowed to do is force my life to conform to their beliefs. Not gonna happen. If the radical right wants to throw one of their holy wars over the issue, then have at it. Remember what happened to ISIS.