I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
A baby in the uterus is still a baby no matter what one wants to call it. Just because people have changed the terminology and/or decided when and went not abortion could be legal does not change the fact that it is in fact a baby!
This is a philosophical and or religious belief, and you are entitled to it. But it is not a fact, in any shape or form. A sperm or ovum is not a baby. A zygote is not a baby. An embryo is not a baby. A fetus becomes a baby at birth.
Yes, colloquially we say a pregnant person is carrying a baby, that does not medically or legally say that a fetus is a baby.
You want to call a zygote, embryo or fetus a baby, then go right ahead. It is still not factually correct. And should not be the basis for a law.
Give me an example of the name calling that is troubling you in this discussion. Please don't dodge this request for clarification or support. What name calling?
I was wondering the same thing. Granted I'd just worked a 12 hour shift and I'm in a hurry now and might have missed it. Or the poster complained and the name calling was removed since we're all long-time posters and understand it's against the Terms of Service.
Throwing out a hot topic, which I love when people do that, I do it too, that's what we're here for, and then getting into it not that we can't handle a "difference of opinion", it's well...we're hot in here.
This is a philosophical and or religious belief, and you are entitled to it. But it is not a fact, in any shape or form. A sperm or ovum is not a baby. A zygote is not a baby. An embryo is not a baby. A fetus becomes a baby at birth.
Yes, colloquially we say a pregnant person is carrying a baby, that does not medically or legally say that a fetus is a baby.
You want to call a zygote, embryo or fetus a baby, then go right ahead. It is still not factually correct. And should not be the basis for a law.
Obviously this is a point where people will never agree. I think we have allow someone to believe that it's a baby no matter what state it's in it is.
As you say a woman that's eight months pregnant doesn't say "I have a fetus in me and he just kicked me". No she says "my baby just kicked me". Women don't say "I'm pregnant with a zygote right now and I'm so nauseous". It's a widely held belief that a fetus is a baby at any age for many people. You said this.
I understand this.
These kinds of semantics matter to pro-life people even if medically there's a different definition. For some it's a medical decision, for other's I'd murder.
Maybe Graham is onto something, compromise somewhere in the middle. States are making an outright ban like West Virginia. Graham's plan would at least stop that even though at 15 weeks it's still not a viable (able to live outside the womb) pregnancy.
Former first lady Melania Trump worried that her husband was "blowing" the US response to COVID, but he told her she worried too much, a forthcoming book on Donald Trump's presidency reveals.
Melania Trump was "rattled by the coronavirus and convinced that Trump was screwing up," wrote New York Times chief White House correspondent Peter Baker and New Yorker staff writer and CNN global affairs analyst Susan Glasser in their new book "The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021."
People told him that the pandemic was real and serious and that he should stop lying. People told him that the election wasn't rigged and he lost fair and square. "Many people" were often trying to tell Trump stuff according to him... apparently he didn't really listen to the "many people" that he referred to so often.
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3 hours ago, Tweety said:
Obviously this is a point where people will never agree. I think we have allow someone to believe that it's a baby no matter what state it's in it is.
As you say a woman that's eight months pregnant doesn't say "I have a fetus in me and he just kicked me". No she says "my baby just kicked me". Women don't say "I'm pregnant with a zygote right now and I'm so nauseous". It's a widely held belief that a fetus is a baby at any age for many people. You said this.
I understand this.
These kinds of semantics matter to pro-life people even if medically there's a different definition. For some it's a medical decision, for other's I'd murder.
Maybe Graham is onto something, compromise somewhere in the middle. States are making an outright ban like West Virginia. Graham's plan would at least stop that even though at 15 weeks it's still not a viable (able to live outside the womb) pregnancy.
Yep. Words like baby are used by people when there's an emotional bond with the fetus. You know, like those women who supposedly decide sometime in the last month of pregnancy that they want an abortion.
It's psychological warfare from the political and religious right when the female carrying the fetus has no intention of creating an emotional bond. They know this. It's a strategy... like harassing women outside of clinics. Or telling them they are immoral murderers while also insisting that they aren't judging them. It's a strategy intended to elevate emotions.
I don't understand why people who may become or who are pregnant need to compromise. People should be able to make personal decisions about what happens to their bodies. The government has no place in the exam room, especially not just so strangers can feel righteous.
Shame on you for accusing me of making a flippant/callous remark based on your perception! I said I believe the number is mimiscule, meaning in context of how many abortions are performed. I never said nor implied that I have no compassion for these women or that I don’t understand their struggles!
That won’t work on me. I feel no shame for calling you out when you make remarks that do indeed come off as callous and flippant.
It seems to me that you feel you should be able to say things like ”I am not judging anyone but I find it sad that somanychoosetoputtodeaththeirownchild”, while not posting a single thing that could imply that you feel any compassion towards women who choose to have an abortion, and we should still be giving you the benefit of the doubt and consider you a compassionate person. It doesn’t work like that.
You are entitled to your opinions. You don’thaveto share any thoughts that would show that you do indeed care about the health, autonomy and wellbeing of women. That’s entirely up to you. But you can’t demand that we perceive you in a certain way, unless you actually share something that would lead us to believe that you are the person you want us to think you are.
Simply put, if it’s important to you that I or other posters believe that you have compassion for the struggles many women face, you need to demonstrate that in the posts you write. The words you choose matter. The points you fail to make matter as well. Whatyoudon’tsay can be just as important as what you do say.
19 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:
IMO, simply dropping off a baby at a safe haven is much more humane than killing it!
(And I never said treat it like laundry).
Again with the killing it. Is this an example of you brimming with compassion?
And again with the ”simply dropping off a baby”. There is nothing simple at all about carrying a fetus to term, giving birth to a baby and then leaving the baby to strangers.
You still haven’t answered why you think that the teenagers that you mentioned with the ”not fully developed” brains aren’t capable of making a decision to have an early abortion, but are somehow capable of understanding and consenting to the medical risks associated with pregnancy and delivery? Not to mention the emotional toll that giving up that child for adoption can take. I’m curious to see if you can answer that.
About the laundry… There’s really no need for you to clarify that you didn’t say to treat ”it” like laundry. I never said you did. I said that it sounded like you were talkingabout abag of laundry when you said that a mother can simply drop off a baby, no questions asked. Nothing in your wording suggested that you understand that for most women that would be far from simple.
Perhaps the Bidens were worried about rumors of election fraud concerning mail-in ballots. I thought it was traditional for politicians, including Presidents, to travel to their home states to vote.
I don't have any qualms about it. Just thought those here who have expressed concern about tax dollars being used on those things I mentioned, not to mention global warming, might be interested to know.
Also, his home is only a 90 minute drive, for a regular Joe without presidential motorcade, from the WH.
This is a philosophical and or religious belief, and you are entitled to it. But it is not a fact, in any shape or form. A sperm or ovum is not a baby. A zygote is not a baby. An embryo is not a baby. A fetus becomes a baby at birth.
Yes, colloquially we say a pregnant person is carrying a baby, that does not medically or legally say that a fetus is a baby.
You want to call a zygote, embryo or fetus a baby, then go right ahead. It is still not factually correct. And should not be the basis for a law.
You're definitely giving credability to the folks who believe there are others who believe a abortion should be allowed at any time before birth.
Why not mail it?? Yes, he just announced more government spending to lower inflation (which of course means more taxes, higher prices and more inflation), with much fanfare in the WH garden. Much of that money will go to climate endeavors including money to the Ford plant to make electric cars which the Ford plant has announced will need to lay off 3000 people. Then right after the garden party flies 1 hour to vote, ridiculous! He could have still mailed it and stated he did it for those reasons (less tax money being spent, lower carbon footprint etc) which IMO would have been much better for everyone, especially those of us who live in the US and are feeling the brunt of his previous bills that have raised inflation to an unbearable number for many!
Glad you mentioned the WH celebration.
A big celebration of the "Inflation Reduction Act" on the same day the stock market had it's worst day since 2020, on the news that inflation was higher than the "experts" predicted.
You're definitely giving credit to the folks who believe there are others who believe a abortion should be allowed at any time before birth.
I’m sorry. I don’t know what you are saying here.
Yes, there are circumstances where a fetus must be delivered near the end of gestation, specifically when the mother’s life is at risk. In those instances a caesarean is attempted, even if the pregnancy may not be viable. This should be a decision made by the pregnant person and their provider. Not the government.
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This is a philosophical and or religious belief, and you are entitled to it. But it is not a fact, in any shape or form. A sperm or ovum is not a baby. A zygote is not a baby. An embryo is not a baby. A fetus becomes a baby at birth.
Yes, colloquially we say a pregnant person is carrying a baby, that does not medically or legally say that a fetus is a baby.
You want to call a zygote, embryo or fetus a baby, then go right ahead. It is still not factually correct. And should not be the basis for a law.