I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
Nah. Not angry. However hateful rhetoric irritates me.
I dunno. Accusing me of wearing racist goggles ( whatever that means) seems pretty angry. You use the word hate, a lot. That's seems very angry, like someone who's been hurt.
If a word like racism can evolve over time and take on other meanings, that means the definition of fascists can as well. Or is there a dual standard for words too?
Sure sure... you can just make up that new definition of fascism to fit your beliefs... right? Otherwise you might link to the new meaning right now I'm guesting
Lyrikleee said:
She can say whatever racist garbage she wants. I will say she is a racist all I want. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. She and who ever can say whatever they wish. This has to do with excusing abhorrent racist ideas that when not challenged, have caused mass human tragedies in history. And trying to prevent it from being possible again.
It's about equality and doing the right thing. Words like hers are dangerous regardless if you define them as racist or not.
The point isn't what she said exactly. The point is any other person not a POC would have had a very different response to statement like that. Equating a group of people as "evil". Even worse shevis an educator.
There is several examples of hate filled rhetoric being overlook or even excused. I provide some for you. You haven't said anything about that. Interesting.....
As for your silly attorney comment. I didn't say her speech was hate speech that can have law brough against it. I said it was hateful. As in hate filled. It interesting you would go there. Do you believe what she said is hate speech yourself?
. Yes, you may say whatever you prefer about the black woman's words. Your words reflect only your feelings and thinking about her just like her words reflect her.
Your fear of her words leading to racially motivated mass tragedy are noted.
Your categorization if her words as "dangerous" are noted. What do you think should be done in response? Is her employment in jeopardy because of the response of some people? What else would you like to see happen to her because of her words?
Yes, it's your opinion another person who wasn't black would be treated differently. You are allowed that opinion. Do you require agreement with these opinions to feel understood?
I believe that our speech is protected even when I don't agree with it with a few exceptions. The US doesn't really have laws governing hate speech, likely because the hate speech associated with slavery and dehumanization of southern descendents of slave is so entrenched in our south eastern culture.
Yep... the reality that the woman has broken no laws leads to the realization that there is nothing that can be done to silence her speech... even when it angers or upsets white people. That was the point of the comment to cause you to realize that there is no way to limit her speech. To limit her speech you would have to demonstrate that her speech WAS IN FACT dangerous or inciting others to violence or harming people. You haven't proved that but you have shared your opinion about her speech and your opinion is that it's dangerous. That's an opinion but I'm suggesting that your opinion about her speech isn't adequate to officially deem the speech harmful or dangerous. You aren't even able to articulate how people are harmed or endangered by her words and opinions.
No I don't think that the woman's words, shared with this thread, amount to hate speech or an example of "black supremacy". I do think that her words inflamed some white people and there will be consequences for that.
Limiting the speech of people because you don't like the words is definitely the territory of authoritarians.
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Lyrikleee said:
Black Supremacy:
Black supremacy or black supremacism is a racial supremacist belief which maintains that black people are inherently superior to people of other races.
Would you interpret her words not aligning with that definition?
Perhaps you should clarify what your definition of it is? I think the original member was alluding to more that she is just a racist. Not necessarily part of a black supremist institution in which I believe you are thinking.
No I don't think that aligns with that definition. Do you feel a need to select and highlight specific phrases or sentences to try to convince me that her words represent that definition? I hope so. Please copy and paste the exact words that she used that you believe tells us that she's advancing "black supremacy"... maybe I'll change my mind.
You are allowed to guess what ZyzzFan meant. I just try to understand based upon the words that are used in these threads and "black supremacy" is his terminology.
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Lyrikleee said:
Yes. That American system was vile and hateful. That's why it was abolished. Who do you think abolished it? White people! Surely it couldn't of been POC who abolished it? After all, if they have no power to inflict harm today, they most certainly wouldn't have been able to abolish that system by themselves back then? More white people saw how evil it was than white people who perpetrated it. Hence the change.
Yes. Those were vile times indeed. They are no longer. Placing the stain on people today who are horrified by that system because of how they look is cut from the same hateful cloth.
This person is a plane ol' hateful bigot. A miserable person with a chip on her shoulder. Feigning outrage for something that happened to people who died a long time ago. And the people who did it a long time ago. Then uses the atrocity to justify her hate. Or you are using it to justify her hate.
This comment makes it sound like you believe that racism against blacks in this country no longer exists in public spaces or culture.
That's interesting. That wasn't your intent, was it?
It's OK that you believe the black woman whose words you find offensive is a bigot. It seems important to you that I agree with you. Maybe you could quote her words and convince me.
What do you think should be done about her speech that has upset people?
I finally read the women's tweet. It doesn't make any difference, IMHO, what her experiences are. She's on a school board, an adult and should be stirring the pot on social media. That was super dumb and she needed to move on if she only has the self-control of a 14 year old. It's this kind of hype that starts other people will no self-control to do dumb and dangerous things. But I don't get the point of why it was posted in in the first place. What did the poster have in mind? Angry people are everywhere. Why not on a school board? She's gone and the OP just just move on.
And I agree with you when you say, she should not have posted that as someone sitting on a school board.
Because making America great derails their entire narrative. How else will they tell minorities and people of color they are perpetual victims that have no ability to rise above? That they need dumbed down entry requirements? Or they are disenfranchised voters because they don't have the capacity to get photo ID?
How else will they convince people that they need the all virtuous democratic party (ran mostly by white men btw) to give them what they need? All because of white supremacy? How else will they get votes away from the Republicans by alluding that Republicans are racist he'll bent on overturning our democracy? If America is great, this all falls apart.
It is worth pointing out that it really the democratic party that has the idea of white supremacy. You know because they love to say how powerless POC are against the "whiteness".
POC are not capable of reaching entrance requirements in universities so they have to lower requirements for them. POC cannot get jobs on their own merrit or skills so they are given priority over others. Heck, they even think POC or LBGTQ can't play on sports teams so they have to make special events excluding white people. Like these people cannot do these things on their own. They cannot compair to white people? So who sounds like they think white people are superior?
They need the democrats to save them. Bla bla
This post speaks volumes and my blood is boiling. Since this is a forum about all nurses and what caught our attention in the world today, I will hold my tongue and my thoughts because this is CLEARLY RACE BAITING.
To the Moderators (I am thinking of you and having a Zen moment so I won't get canceled), I will stop here
We know that our geopolitical enemies actively engage in and elevate social disputes in the USA through right wing internet and social media content. The right wing angst over guns, CRT and abortion is fed and expanded by people who would love to see the states divide.
We also know that the wealthiest can benefit tremendously when corruption is rampant within the party or groups in power.
You are the only one who lives inside my brain. WOW
I actually let it go yesterday (your second paragraph) because I also thought that this was what was meant but... Yea, you get me...
I did write it to make a point. Interesting you have nothing to say if the race she referenced were reversed. Something tells me you would be calling her a white supremist and probably a nazi. There would be outrage and riots on her campus. If she was white making such as statment about POC. But let's pretend to not know that......
Statement such as hers have no place in modern society. The fact she is part of a school faculty makes it even more egregious. Making hateful comment such as evil and likening to a specific race is not acceptable. Apparently it is by some...... Example being on here. Defending and deflection by the same people who claim to be "anti-racist" I imagine. You should be condemning her words,not explaining them away.
I know you wrote it to make a point. We all do and I won't engage with the type of posts you are writing on here. I"m sorry I even got so involved yesterday.
Former Denver Broncos defensive lineman Derek Wolfe hunted and killed a massive mountain lion in Colorado.
The lion "had been wreaking havoc in a rural neighborhood" and had recently killed two dogs, Wolfe said on Instagram.
There has been a lion on the other side of the mountain to the west of my son's place that has taken two or three larger dogs recently. Maybe this was the one.
There has been a lion on the other side of the mountain to the west of my son's place that has taken two or three larger dogs recently. Maybe this was the one.
Wolfe is a cohost of a sports talk show I often listen to in the late afternoon. I happened to listen the day he did that. He came from the hunt straight to the studio. It was quite a story and fun to hear him tell it.
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I dunno. Accusing me of wearing racist goggles ( whatever that means) seems pretty angry. You use the word hate, a lot. That's seems very angry, like someone who's been hurt.