Was I right, wrong, or am I going crazy

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This happened in a new hospital halfway between london and bristol, in about 2004. I had got tired of all the agency work in A&E in London, so signed up for a 3 month contract in a general surgical ward working nights.

I had some bad experiences straight away - as in no handover on my first shift, and I confronted the hardened battle axe of a nurse who was finishing the day shift as she was about to leave the ward. She told me that all the patients were fine - and left.

But that's another story, but suffice to say, I stuck with the place for two months, and things only got worse, and I had to quit. But one incident happened, and I felt that I was the only one in the hospital who could see this problem, and to this day I still think I'm in the right, although I do have some doubt now. So here's the scenario.

Mrs Smith had cellulitis of her left calf (it wasn't her real diagnosis as I can't remember, but I do remember she did not have a particularly serious problem). Anyway, I'd been giving her the evening IV AB,s and got to know her well as she loved to chat. She was one of the more lively patients in her 6 bedded bay.

Anyway, I turn up to work (I think about 2000hrs) and I am told by the charge nurse that Mrs Smith is 'unconscious.'

I'm thinking, okay, what happened, where is she now? I'm then told she is still in the bay at the end of the ward, unconscious. I can't believe my ears. An unconscious patient, regardless of cause = unprotected airway. It all goes back to ABC. I tell the charge nurse that this can't be right, but he then explains that she's had a CT, been seen by her consultant, been seen by the medical team, and been seen by the neurological team, and they cannot find a cause, and all scans are normal.

I am told that there is nothing to do, but to leave her there.

You may not believe this, but neither could I.

I explain that this is crazy. We have an otherwise healthy 60yr old woman with an unprotected airway, at the end of the ward. The charge nurse gets a bit angry, and tells me if I'm that worried, I can spend the night at her bedside, but that's up to me, and I still have 11 other patients for the night. All I wanted was for her to be somewhere where she could be observed, as a simple aspiration and she's gone. An otherwise healthy woman could be dead in a matter of minutes. She's on no kind of monitoring, absolutely nothing.

What should I do? I contemplated walking out. I contemplated complaining to the duty nurse supervisor, but found out she was ok with this as well. I stayed for the shift.

I managed to go past her room about every 15-20 minutes - pathetic really, but the best I could manage, and every time i tried to wake her.

At about 0300hrs I tried waking her, and she woke up, asked what time it was, and seemed completely fine.

You probably won't believe this, but this is exactly how it happened. I've never seen someone suddenly go unconscious for no apparent reason, and suddenly wake up hours later absolutely fine.

I called the house surgeon and told him about her, and he was like 'why did you bother calling me?' and I told him that it was a bloody miracle she was still alive, and that he might want to assess her while she's still conscious, because who knows what could happen. He agreed to come down and do an assessment.

Anyway, I worked there a little bit longer before an even worse event forced me to quit, but I'm curious what you think. Should she have been in a monitored unit? Should she even have been intubated? Was I over reacting?

I always felt I was in the right on this one, but it seems I was the only one in the hospital who felt that way.

Is the oral airway going to help if she vomits?

Had she consumed a large amount of food and suddenly had no bowel sounds?

I personally see no reason for her to be intubated or that her airway was somehow compromised. You place her at a bigger risk of aspiration if you intubated her for no good reason. Then you can proceed to kill her with a nosocomial infection.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
Uh oh, don't think you can fool Esme! This is the first post I have seen since you've been back, you were greatly missed Esme.

I know. I was reading the post with no attention paid to who wrote it. I thought, "That sounds like something Esme would say."

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Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

LOL...something is wrong with that gif. Those people are clapping like they're on speed!

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

I would expect an educated, licensed nurse working in acute care to describe a patient differently than the vague term "unconscious" ... particularly if the point of the story is concern about a patient's neuro status, which is what you're implying if you are harping on an "unprotected airway". If you said that the patient was unresponsive even to painful stimuli, or lacked gag or papillary reflexes ... we'd have a much different story.

The pattern repeats: OP puts forth an unusual, credulity-straining story ... then gets bent out of shape when it does not produce the response he was looking for.

Specializes in MDS/ UR.
I'm amazed you think my experiences are too unusual to have in a regular career.

There is nothing usual about you. I can clearly see that the unusual becomes you.

Everything being a constant carnival, there is no carnival left.

Victor Hugo

It sounds like in this situation, it was more a problem of how the OPs coworkers or supervisors responded, rather than maybe a patient issue. Again, I cannot speak from experience, but it sounds maybe like the people in question could have shown a more caring attitude no matter what the situation was.

Specializes in Infection Prevention, Public Health.

I do not understand what you want from this community. Thus far you follow a very specific script in all of your posts:

The existing staff are all callous, brainless, negligent nurses

You are the little-heralded temp nurse who comes in and saves the day

You create a "click bait" type of title to your posts

There is no clinical question that you have

Predictably you get called out by other members and a moderator swoops in to save you from the natural consequences of your behavior

What is it that you want? Your relentless repetition of your script is very troubling to me .

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

I have seen patients do the same thing. They were sleeping.

Ugh. I'm deleting all my bookmarks for nursingaround1's posts. I'm pretty mad at myself for falling for the click bait title on this one. This has gone beyond ridiculous into the realm of inconceivable. And so many people keep falling for it. I used to think these overwrought posts were funny, but now I'm just over it.

Specializes in Oncology.

So no EKG's for syncope, no cardiac monitoring for chest pain, but intubation for an unconscious patient for a few hours who was apparently protecting her airway just fine?

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.

Ok so I actually read the post.

So, she was breathing fine. She passed out & took a nap. Why did she need to be intubated? Maybe she was exhausted or maybe she's just a hard sleeper. I really don't see a need for intubation (clearly no one else in this post & no one else on the medical team did). If all her vitals are WNL & all the tests came back fine, why would you intubate her? I don't see it being justified.

Ok so I actually read the post.

So, she was breathing fine. She passed out & took a nap. Why did she need to be intubated? Maybe she was exhausted or maybe she's just a hard sleeper. I really don't see a need for intubation (clearly no one else in this post & no one else on the medical team did). If all her vitals are WNL & all the tests came back fine, why would you intubate her? I don't see it being justified.

No, I don't think intubation needed either. I simply thought unconscious, risk of aspiration and death. Kept it really simple.

What if that had happened on my shift, the agency nurses shift? They would have noted my objections and asked why I didn't act upon them.

In some ways documenting my concerns almost makes it worse for me, but at the end of the day, in a court, they would all ask, why you did nothing.

And yes, the nurse did leave with no handover. The place actually had a handover system where they record the report and you listen to it. But the nurse who had my patients was 'old fashioned' they said and refused to leave a recording, and preferred to handover in person. She didn't do either.

So yes, I started a shift with no handover. I nearly left then.

As for all the people telling me to check her 'ABG's' and other stuff, all I can say is, who do you think you are and why would you even go there? Keep it simple, and realise there is a patient with an unprotected airway who could aspirate and die. Simple as that.

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