Was I right, wrong, or am I going crazy

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This happened in a new hospital halfway between london and bristol, in about 2004. I had got tired of all the agency work in A&E in London, so signed up for a 3 month contract in a general surgical ward working nights.

I had some bad experiences straight away - as in no handover on my first shift, and I confronted the hardened battle axe of a nurse who was finishing the day shift as she was about to leave the ward. She told me that all the patients were fine - and left.

But that's another story, but suffice to say, I stuck with the place for two months, and things only got worse, and I had to quit. But one incident happened, and I felt that I was the only one in the hospital who could see this problem, and to this day I still think I'm in the right, although I do have some doubt now. So here's the scenario.

Mrs Smith had cellulitis of her left calf (it wasn't her real diagnosis as I can't remember, but I do remember she did not have a particularly serious problem). Anyway, I'd been giving her the evening IV AB,s and got to know her well as she loved to chat. She was one of the more lively patients in her 6 bedded bay.

Anyway, I turn up to work (I think about 2000hrs) and I am told by the charge nurse that Mrs Smith is 'unconscious.'

I'm thinking, okay, what happened, where is she now? I'm then told she is still in the bay at the end of the ward, unconscious. I can't believe my ears. An unconscious patient, regardless of cause = unprotected airway. It all goes back to ABC. I tell the charge nurse that this can't be right, but he then explains that she's had a CT, been seen by her consultant, been seen by the medical team, and been seen by the neurological team, and they cannot find a cause, and all scans are normal.

I am told that there is nothing to do, but to leave her there.

You may not believe this, but neither could I.

I explain that this is crazy. We have an otherwise healthy 60yr old woman with an unprotected airway, at the end of the ward. The charge nurse gets a bit angry, and tells me if I'm that worried, I can spend the night at her bedside, but that's up to me, and I still have 11 other patients for the night. All I wanted was for her to be somewhere where she could be observed, as a simple aspiration and she's gone. An otherwise healthy woman could be dead in a matter of minutes. She's on no kind of monitoring, absolutely nothing.

What should I do? I contemplated walking out. I contemplated complaining to the duty nurse supervisor, but found out she was ok with this as well. I stayed for the shift.

I managed to go past her room about every 15-20 minutes - pathetic really, but the best I could manage, and every time i tried to wake her.

At about 0300hrs I tried waking her, and she woke up, asked what time it was, and seemed completely fine.

You probably won't believe this, but this is exactly how it happened. I've never seen someone suddenly go unconscious for no apparent reason, and suddenly wake up hours later absolutely fine.

I called the house surgeon and told him about her, and he was like 'why did you bother calling me?' and I told him that it was a bloody miracle she was still alive, and that he might want to assess her while she's still conscious, because who knows what could happen. He agreed to come down and do an assessment.

Anyway, I worked there a little bit longer before an even worse event forced me to quit, but I'm curious what you think. Should she have been in a monitored unit? Should she even have been intubated? Was I over reacting?

I always felt I was in the right on this one, but it seems I was the only one in the hospital who felt that way.

Specializes in Peri-op/Sub-Acute ANP.

I'm going to go with the third one you said.

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

Cheese and rice. Seriously, what happened to your proclamation that you were leaving and never coming back?!!

This happened in a new hospital halfway between london and bristol, in about 2004. I had got tired of all the agency work in A&E in London, so signed up for a 3 month contract in a general surgical ward working nights.

I had some bad experiences straight away - as in no handover on my first shift, and I confronted the hardened battle axe of a nurse who was finishing the day shift as she was about to leave the ward. She told me that all the patients were fine - and left.

But that's another story, but suffice to say, I stuck with the place for two months, and things only got worse, and I had to quit. But one incident happened, and I felt that I was the only one in the hospital who could see this problem, and to this day I still think I'm in the right, although I do have some doubt now. So here's the scenario.

Mrs Smith had cellulitis of her left calf (it wasn't her real diagnosis as I can't remember, but I do remember she did not have a particularly serious problem). Anyway, I'd been giving her the evening IV AB,s and got to know her well as she loved to chat. She was one of the more lively patients in her 6 bedded bay.

Anyway, I turn up to work (I think about 2000hrs) and I am told by the charge nurse that Mrs Smith is 'unconscious.'

I'm thinking, okay, what happened, where is she now? I'm then told she is still in the bay at the end of the ward, unconscious. I can't believe my ears. An unconscious patient, regardless of cause = unprotected airway. It all goes back to ABC. I tell the charge nurse that this can't be right, but he then explains that she's had a CT, been seen by her consultant, been seen by the medical team, and been seen by the neurological team, and they cannot find a cause, and all scans are normal.

I am told that there is nothing to do, but to leave her there.

You may not believe this, but neither could I.

I explain that this is crazy. We have an otherwise healthy 60yr old woman with an unprotected airway, at the end of the ward. The charge nurse gets a bit angry, and tells me if I'm that worried, I can spend the night at her bedside, but that's up to me, and I still have 11 other patients for the night. All I wanted was for her to be somewhere where she could be observed, as a simple aspiration and she's gone. An otherwise healthy woman could be dead in a matter of minutes. She's on no kind of monitoring, absolutely nothing.

What should I do? I contemplated walking out. I contemplated complaining to the duty nurse supervisor, but found out she was ok with this as well. I stayed for the shift.

I managed to go past her room about every 15-20 minutes - pathetic really, but the best I could manage, and every time i tried to wake her.

At about 0300hrs I tried waking her, and she woke up, asked what time it was, and seemed completely fine.

You probably won't believe this, but this is exactly how it happened. I've never seen someone suddenly go unconscious for no apparent reason, and suddenly wake up hours later absolutely fine.

I called the house surgeon and told him about her, and he was like 'why did you bother calling me?' and I told him that it was a bloody miracle she was still alive, and that he might want to assess her while she's still conscious, because who knows what could happen. He agreed to come down and do an assessment.

Anyway, I worked there a little bit longer before an even worse event forced me to quit, but I'm curious what you think. Should she have been in a monitored unit? Should she even have been intubated? Was I over reacting?

I always felt I was in the right on this one, but it seems I was the only one in the hospital who felt that way.

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

Yup. He's back. And for the record, I vote #3 in his title....

Not again ...
Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

Or, here in America, some people would just straight up tell the OP that he is full of bullsheet. So full that it spills out of his fingers and he types out this incredulous stories that rival another genre in certain men's magazines...

OP, seriously. You must be going on 110 years old. You have had such drama and randomly odd/unusual working conditions in so many different countries, I just cannot reconcile all of your experiences with a normal person's lifespan.

If I had had even half the experiences that you have *had*, I'm not sure I'd still be in the profession. Too much angst, too many moral anxieties & dilemmas.......just too many.

Specializes in Hospice.
Just to be devils advocate.....I have worked at different facilities all within the USA. The facilities in one part of the US were somewhat different than the facility in the other part of the US.....however basic life saving and assessment were consistent.

Now without knowing more about this patient it is impossible for me to make any assessment about her airway or LOC....you report that her airway was compromised....compromised how? what was her sat? Were her respirations sonorous in nature? Did she seem in resp distress?

Not all patient with decreased LOC have a compromised airway. There are many who are so obtund that they do not awaken however they are able to protect their airway and have a positive gag and are able to handle this secretions....which is an indicator that the airway is not in danger however the patient would bear watching. If the patient has a positive gag even an oral or nasal airway is contraindicated....so your coworkers or person in charge are correct in their treatment.

It is difficult for many who read these posts to believe that you have run into this many unusual cases and patient stories/histories.......however....that you travel and travel not only to different facilities but different countries so it is entirely possible that you have witnessed these varied extreme cases.....however.....it does not always mean that you are the only correct/competent care giver in the room filled with educated professionals

Uh oh, don't think you can fool Esme! This is the first post I have seen since you've been back, you were greatly missed Esme.

Specializes in Pediatric.

I didn't get past "no handover." I would never take patients without report!

Someone explain to me what a troll thread is, I've seen it in a few posts??????

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

You made it farther than me---once I saw who started the thread it was all over, LOL

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

Like anyone that nursingaround has started?

This is taken from urban dictionary: An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Someone explain to me what a troll thread is, I've seen it in a few posts??????
It will open your eyes. The strangest thing is, you see a number of ways of doing the same thing, and it gets to the stage that when you go to a new hospital, you ask them how to do something, and they look at you stupidly. They think you're stupid because you should know how that infusion is drawn up, or that dressing is done, but I don't ask out of ignorance, but because I've seen the thing done many ways, while they've only learned to do it the one way they learned in their hospital. I used to get annoyed at them and also felt stupid for asking, but if you go ahead and do something a way they're not familiar it can cause lots more problems in the end.

That's just one thing of many I've learned working abroad and from hospital to hospital. In London, I could easily work 4 different hospitals in one week.

Did you work for an agency? I really don't mind learning new things. I think the thing I would look for is whether their approach is in the patient's best interest, and what is the most efficient way of doing it.

Or, here in America, some people would just straight up tell the OP that he is full of bullsheet. So full that it spills out of his fingers and he types out this incredulous stories that rival another genre in certain men's magazines...

Sorry, I never use that vocabulary nor have it in my dictionary! I was hoping to see an answer to the situation; none yet, however, Esme12 had a great response; no beating around the bush.

Congratulations if you've had so much experience abroad. I hope I will get half the knowledge that other nurses on AN have, by the time I'm 25!!!!! It's rather a large order, but hey, its my 'dream'. :cautious:

By the way....sidebar......why don't they have an emoticon with tea? I can't have coffee because of caffeine. I plead unfair discrimination!!!.....:grumpy:

Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant.
Why cannot anyone see this as a simply ABC issue.

If she had vomited during that time, she could have been dead in a matter of minutes.

This might be foolish of me to get involved, but here it goes. Did you assess her ABCs? What are her respirations like? Normal vs. snoring vs. sonorous, etc? Was she moving air?

Having not been there, I can't really answer the sleeping vs. unconscious question (although I suspect the former). Either way, it is not good for any person with a deceased LOC (again, whether sleeping or truly unconscious) to vomit while in such a state. Does that mean a person with a H/O GERD should be near the nurses station and on a monitor--or even intubated?

If she was truly unresponsive, and I'm still not sure that was the case, then, yes, in the US she would probably be on a cardiac monitor with neuro checks. That alone does not mean she would be intubated and/or under constant observation. Not to mention, this occurred in the UK, not the US anyway.

Considering you can't remember anything about her actual dx., I'm guessing your memory of her assessment details are pretty foggy too, so all this is just silly speculation at this point.

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