Was I right, wrong, or am I going crazy

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This happened in a new hospital halfway between london and bristol, in about 2004. I had got tired of all the agency work in A&E in London, so signed up for a 3 month contract in a general surgical ward working nights.

I had some bad experiences straight away - as in no handover on my first shift, and I confronted the hardened battle axe of a nurse who was finishing the day shift as she was about to leave the ward. She told me that all the patients were fine - and left.

But that's another story, but suffice to say, I stuck with the place for two months, and things only got worse, and I had to quit. But one incident happened, and I felt that I was the only one in the hospital who could see this problem, and to this day I still think I'm in the right, although I do have some doubt now. So here's the scenario.

Mrs Smith had cellulitis of her left calf (it wasn't her real diagnosis as I can't remember, but I do remember she did not have a particularly serious problem). Anyway, I'd been giving her the evening IV AB,s and got to know her well as she loved to chat. She was one of the more lively patients in her 6 bedded bay.

Anyway, I turn up to work (I think about 2000hrs) and I am told by the charge nurse that Mrs Smith is 'unconscious.'

I'm thinking, okay, what happened, where is she now? I'm then told she is still in the bay at the end of the ward, unconscious. I can't believe my ears. An unconscious patient, regardless of cause = unprotected airway. It all goes back to ABC. I tell the charge nurse that this can't be right, but he then explains that she's had a CT, been seen by her consultant, been seen by the medical team, and been seen by the neurological team, and they cannot find a cause, and all scans are normal.

I am told that there is nothing to do, but to leave her there.

You may not believe this, but neither could I.

I explain that this is crazy. We have an otherwise healthy 60yr old woman with an unprotected airway, at the end of the ward. The charge nurse gets a bit angry, and tells me if I'm that worried, I can spend the night at her bedside, but that's up to me, and I still have 11 other patients for the night. All I wanted was for her to be somewhere where she could be observed, as a simple aspiration and she's gone. An otherwise healthy woman could be dead in a matter of minutes. She's on no kind of monitoring, absolutely nothing.

What should I do? I contemplated walking out. I contemplated complaining to the duty nurse supervisor, but found out she was ok with this as well. I stayed for the shift.

I managed to go past her room about every 15-20 minutes - pathetic really, but the best I could manage, and every time i tried to wake her.

At about 0300hrs I tried waking her, and she woke up, asked what time it was, and seemed completely fine.

You probably won't believe this, but this is exactly how it happened. I've never seen someone suddenly go unconscious for no apparent reason, and suddenly wake up hours later absolutely fine.

I called the house surgeon and told him about her, and he was like 'why did you bother calling me?' and I told him that it was a bloody miracle she was still alive, and that he might want to assess her while she's still conscious, because who knows what could happen. He agreed to come down and do an assessment.

Anyway, I worked there a little bit longer before an even worse event forced me to quit, but I'm curious what you think. Should she have been in a monitored unit? Should she even have been intubated? Was I over reacting?

I always felt I was in the right on this one, but it seems I was the only one in the hospital who felt that way.

I had no distain for you until this post. Now I downright can't stand you.

How can you get from point A: healthy patient, scans/tests/vitals all fine to point B: airway at risk? I just don't get it. There is nothing, NOTHING proving her airway was as risk.

You keep saying no one should leave her unsupervised, ok well that's all good & swell but that's completely different than the point you're trying to make about her airway being at risk. What do friends & wife have to say about that? Because obviously the doctors didn't agree with you that night. So you're wrong, wrong wrong wrong WROOOOOOONG!

If you can't see the potential risk, then you're blind blind blind, and a danger danger danger

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If you can't see the potential risk, then you're blind blind blind, and a danger danger danger

Perhaps since we are all so wrong (in your opinion) you should seek out a MB where your greatness will be appreciated.

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If you can't see the potential risk, then you're blind blind blind, and a danger danger danger

Lol. What risk? All test/scans/labs/vitals were fine. If I was worried I would've placed the HOB up or her on her side. If I was REALLY concerned I would have an aide sit with her. But there is no risk, you are creating a risk when there isn't one. You also haven't told us why there was a risk other than because she was unconscious. Could you tell us why she might aspirate other than because she was unconscious, that's not good enough.

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Never try to reason with a person whose sole purpose is to misinterpret you.

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Anyway, back to the litigious thing.

As I was reading the original post, I kept thinking "Oh, those doctors and day shift nurses did more than some hospitals here would have." That's not a good thing in my opinion mind you, but it is true.

And to put the cherry on top, some of my former bosses were hard core about sending patients away or taking extreme measures that weren't justified. If you ask for a sitter, your documentation had better spell out why, and just hope the patient doesn't suddenly start behaving before the DON see's the risk they are to themselves. Bowel sounds not present and patient is showing signs of an obstruction? Yes, call the doctor and get the X-ray by all means, but again, better have the explanation in your documentation and hopefully it comes back positive (well, hopefully not but you get what I mean).

That's healthcare in the U.S. as I know it. Litigious isn't necessarily the yellow brick road to hospitals being more careful. It's still about money and profit, there's just more pressure to be perfect in every call you make.

Closing this thread since it has run its course.

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